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Ketubot 21: Witnesses, Judges, and Stumped Amoraim

Starting with the mishnah on the bottom of the previous daf – the case of witnesses who testify to their own handwriting and also to that if the co-witness – that’s credible and upholds the document. But what if they only speak to their own handwriting, and not the other guy? It’s a machloket whether the authentication of the other guy, beyond his own corroboration, is necessary. Also, can a witness become a judge? Does a judge need to have been able to be a witness? The discussion begins with the witnesses for the new moon. There are open questions here, specifically whether a judge can be a witness for non-Rosh Chodesh cases (like documents) and a hierarchy of each rabbi asking up, to the next one with greater knowledge.

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Anne Gordon is the deputy editor of Ops & Blogs at The Times of Israel. She is a veteran educator, having taught in high school and post-high school institutions in Israel and America for several decades. Yardaena Osband is a pediatrician and teaches in her community and online. They both hail from Boston, proud alumna of Maimonides School, where they first learned Gemara. Talking Talmud is their conversation (via podcast) on the daf yomi. They say: "Learning the daf? We have something for you to think about. Not learning the daf? We have something for you to think about! (Along with a taste of the daf...) Join the conversation with us!"
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