Search

Avodah Zarah 9

Want to dedicate learning? Get started here:

podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




Summary

The next six weeks of learning are dedicated to Susan Silkes, Sheina Blima bat Faigel for a refuah shleima from her loving and adoring friends. “Susan, you are the absolute epitome of ואהבת לרעך כמוך always putting others’ needs first. Besides being a super bike rider, swimmer, hallah and chocolate chip cookie baker, you also started learning Daf Yomi with Hadran just a few months ago, taking on yet another new challenge and finding the daf so meaningful. We have no idea how you manage to fit so many of us into your life, but we are so very blessed that you do! חודש טוב מלא בריאות, רפואה ונעם ה’”

Today’s daf is sponsored by Gitta and David Neufeld in honor of our first year aliya-versary. כי טובה הארץ מאד מאד!

How are they able to prove that the Romans first ruled pleasantly with the Jews for twenty-six years before subjugating them for one hundred and eighty years before they destroyed the Temple?

Different calculations are brought regarding historical events from the time of the Second Temple period and the creation of the world. It was clear that different people counted years from different historical events, and the Rav Papa gives some tips for calculating what year one is in on one calendar if one knows what the year is according to a different calendar.

Today’s daily daf tools:

Avodah Zarah 9

מַלְכוּת פָּרַס בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת שְׁלֹשִׁים וְאַרְבַּע שָׁנָה, מַלְכוּת יָוָן בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת מֵאָה וּשְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה, מַלְכוּת חַשְׁמוֹנַאי בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת מֵאָה וְשָׁלֹשׁ, מַלְכוּת בֵּית הוֹרְדוֹס מֵאָה וְשָׁלֹשׁ, מִכָּאן וְאֵילָךְ צֵא וַחֲשׁוֹב כַּמָּה שָׁנִים אַחַר חוּרְבַּן הַבַּיִת.

The Persian Empire, which ruled the world before the construction of the Temple, continued to do so for 34 years in the presence of the Temple, i.e., after the Temple was built; the Greek Empire ruled for 180 years in the presence of the Temple; the Hasmonean dynasty ruled for 103 years in the presence of the Temple; and the Herodian dynasty likewise ruled for 103 years. From this point forward, you can go and calculate the date on which an event occurred by how many years it happened after the destruction of the Temple.

אַלְמָא מָאתַן וְשֵׁית הֲווֹ, וְאַתְּ אָמְרַתְּ מֵאָה וּשְׁמוֹנִים הֲווֹ! אֶלָּא עֶשְׂרִין וְשֵׁית שְׁנִין קָמוּ בְּהֵימָנוּתַיְיהוּ בַּהֲדֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְלָא אִישְׁתַּעְבַּדוּ בְּהוּ, וְאַמְּטוּ לְהָכִי לָא קָא חָשֵׁיב לְהוּ כְּשֶׁפָּשְׁטָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה עַל יִשְׂרָאֵל.

According to this statement of Rabbi Yosei, evidently when the Greek rule over the Jewish people ended and the Roman rule began it was 206 years before the Second Temple was destroyed, i.e., the two sets of one hundred and three years of the Hasmonean dynasty and the Herodian dynasty. But you said that when the Roman Empire stretched forth over Israel and ruled over them it was 180 years before the Temple was destroyed. This is not a contradiction, but rather, it proves that for 26 years the Romans stood faithfully with the Jewish people, honoring their agreement, and did not subjugate them. And therefore, Rabbi Yishmael, son of Rabbi Yosei, does not count these 26 years among the total years in which the evil Roman Empire stretched forth over Israel and ruled over them.

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אִי טָעֵי הַאי תַּנָּא, וְלָא יָדַע פְּרָטֵי כַּמָּה הֲוָה — לִישַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְסָפְרָא כַּמָּה כָּתֵיב, וְנִיטַפֵּי עֲלַיְיהוּ עֶשְׂרִין שְׁנִין, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: ״זֶה לִּי עֶשְׂרִים שָׁנָה אָנֹכִי בְּבֵיתֶךָ״.

§ Apropos the above baraita, the Gemara relates that Rav Pappa said: If this tanna, i.e., one who dates years in reference to the destruction of the Temple, forgot and did not know the details of the date with regard to exactly how much time had passed since the destruction of the Temple, e.g., he remembered the century but could not recall the exact decade and year, let him ask a scribe who writes official documents how many years he writes when he dates the documents. The dating system of scribes uses as its starting point the beginning of the Greek rule, 380 years before the destruction of the Temple. And let him add 20 years to the number, and in this manner he will find his number [leḥumreih]. And your mnemonic to remember this is the verse: “These twenty years have I been in your house” (Genesis 31:41).

אִי טָעֵי סָפְרָא — נְשַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְתַנָּא כַּמָּה חָשֵׁיב, וּנְבַצַּר מִינַּיְיהוּ עֶשְׂרִין שְׁנִין, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ. וְסִימָנָיךְ: סָפְרָא בְּצִירָא, תַּנָּא תּוֹסְפָאָה.

Similarly, if a scribe forgot the exact year, let him ask the tanna how much time he calculates has passed since the Temple’s destruction, and he should deduct from the number twenty years, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic to remember that the tanna adds twenty to the date of the scribe, whereas the scribe deducts twenty from the number of the tanna, is as follows: A scribe deducts, while a tanna adds on [tosfa’a]. This is a play on the phrase tanna tosfa’a, which also means to teach the Tosefta, the practice of a tanna.

תָּנָא דְּבֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ: שֵׁשֶׁת אֲלָפִים שָׁנָה הָוֵי הָעוֹלָם, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹהוּ, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹרָה, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים יְמוֹת הַמָּשִׁיחַ, בַּעֲוֹנוֹתֵינוּ שֶׁרַבּוּ יָצְאוּ מֵהֶן מַה שֶּׁיָּצְאוּ מֵהֶן.

In relation to the discussion on the calculation of years, the Gemara states that one of the Sages of the school of Eliyahu taught: The world is destined to exist for six thousand years. For two thousand years the world was waste, as the Torah had not yet been given. The next set of two thousand years are the time period of the Torah. The last set of two thousand years are the period designated for the days of the Messiah, but due to our many sins there are those years that have been taken from them, i.e., such and such years have already passed and have been taken from the two thousand years that are designated for the Messiah, and the Messiah has not yet arrived. Whenever a tanna taught this baraita, he would insert the number of years that was correct for his time.

שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹרָה מֵאֵימַת? אִי נֵימָא מִמַּתַּן תּוֹרָה עַד הַשְׁתָּא, לֵיכָּא כּוּלֵּי הַאי, דְּכִי מְעַיְּינַתְּ בְּהוּ תְּרֵי אַלְפֵי פְּרָטֵי דְּהַאי אַלְפָּא הוּא דַּהֲוַאי.

The Gemara asks: With regard to the two thousand years of the time period of the Torah, from when are they counted? If we say that they started from the giving of the Torah until now, then there is not enough time for all of these years. As, when you examine the calculations, it is evident that from the creation of the world until the giving of the Torah there were two thousand years plus a part of this third thousand, as the Torah was given 2,448 years after the creation of the world. This would mean that the time period of the Torah encroaches upon the days of the Messiah.

אֶלָּא, מִ״וְּאֶת הַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ בְחָרָן״, וּגְמִירִי דְּאַבְרָהָם בְּהָהִיא שַׁעְתָּא בַּר חַמְשִׁין וְתַרְתֵּי הֲוָה.

Rather, the two-thousand-year time period of the Torah is counted from the time when it is stated about Abraham and Sarah: “And the souls that they had gotten in Haran (Genesis 12:5), which is interpreted by the Sages as referring to the men and women who were brought closer to the Torah by Abraham and Sarah. Therefore, it was at this point that the Torah began to spread throughout the world. And it is learned as a tradition that at that time Abraham was fifty-two years old.

כַּמָּה בָּצְרָן מִדְּתָנֵי תַּנָּא? אַרְבַּע מֵאָה וְאַרְבָּעִים וּתְמָנְיָא שְׁנִין הָוְיָין, כִּי מְעַיְּינַתְּ בֵּיהּ מֵ״הַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ בְחָרָן״ עַד מַתַּן תּוֹרָה — אַרְבַּע מְאָה וְאַרְבָּעִים וּתְמָנְיָא שְׁנִין הָוְיָין.

How many years are missing from the two thousand year period of the Messiah, if the period of the Torah that is taught by the tanna is counted from the giving of the Torah? There are 448 missing years. When you examine the calculation from the time when it is stated about Abraham and Sarah: “The souls that they had gotten in Haran,” until the time of the giving of the Torah, there are 448 years.

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אִי טָעֵי תַּנָּא וְלָא יָדַע פְּרָטֵיהּ כַּמָּה הָוֵי — לִישַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְסָפְרָא כַּמָּה כְּתִיב, וְנִיטַפֵּי עֲלַיְיהוּ אַרְבְּעִין וְתַמְנֵי, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ:

With regard to this baraita as well, Rav Pappa said: If a tanna meant to state that at his time such and such years were already lost from the two thousand years that are designated for the days of the Messiah, but he forgot and did not know the details of exactly how much time had passed, let him ask a scribe how many years he writes when he dates documents. And let him add forty-eight to the number, correcting for the century, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic for this is the verse:

״אַרְבָּעִים וּשְׁמֹנֶה עִיר״. וְאִי טָעֵי סָפְרָא — נְשַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְתַנָּא כַּמָּה קָתָנֵי, וְנִיבַצַּר מִינַּיְיהוּ אַרְבָּעִים וּשְׁמוֹנֶה, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: סָפְרָא בְּצִירָא, תַּנָּא תּוֹסְפָאָה.

“Forty-eight cities” (Numbers 35:7). Similarly, if a scribe forgot the exact year, let him ask the tanna how many years does he teach have already been lost from the two thousand years that are designated for the days of the Messiah. And he should deduct forty-eight years from the number, correcting for the century, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic to remember that the tanna must add to the date of the scribe, while the scribe must deduct from the number of the tanna, is again: A scribe deducts, while a tanna adds on [tosfa’a].

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: הַאי מַאן דְּלָא יָדַע כַּמָּה שְׁנֵי בְּשָׁבוּעַ הוּא עוֹמֵד — נִיטַּפֵּי חַד שַׁתָּא, וְנִחְשׁוֹב כְּלָלֵי בְּיוֹבְלֵי, וּפְרָטֵי בְּשָׁבוּעֵי.

§ Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, says: In the case of one who does not know which year of the seven-year Sabbatical cycle he stands in, he should add one year to the years that have passed since the destruction of the Temple in order to begin at the start of a Sabbatical cycle. And he should calculate the general years, i.e., the centuries, as Jubilee cycles, as every Jubilee concludes seven completed Sabbatical cycles of forty-nine years, and the details as Sabbatical cycles, i.e., he should divide the remaining years into seven-year Sabbatical cycles.

וְנִשְׁקֹל מִמֵּאָה תְּרֵי, וְנִשְׁדֵּי אַפְּרָטֵי, וְנַחְשׁוֹבִינְהוּ לִפְרָטֵי בְּשָׁבוּעֵי, וְיִדַּע כַּמָּה שְׁנֵי בְּשָׁבוּעַ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: ״כִּי זֶה שְׁנָתַיִם הָרָעָב בְּקֶרֶב הָאָרֶץ״.

But as the Jubilee Year itself is counted as one year of a Sabbatical cycle, he should take, from every hundred years that passed, two years, and add it to the details, i.e., the remaining decades and single years. And then he should calculate with the details by dividing them into Sabbatical cycles. And from the remainder he will know how many years in the current Sabbatical cycle have passed. And your mnemonic that two years must be deducted from every century is the following verse: “For these two years the famine has been in the land” (Genesis 45:6).

אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא: אַחַר אַרְבַּע מֵאוֹת לְחוּרְבַּן הַבַּיִת, אִם יֹאמַר לְךָ אָדָם: קַח שָׂדֶה שָׁוֶה אֶלֶף דִּינָרִים בְּדִינָר אֶחָד — לֹא תִּקַּח. בְּמַתְנִיתָא תָּנָא: אַחַר אַרְבַּעַת אֲלָפִים וּמָאתַיִם וּשְׁלֹשִׁים וְאַחַת שָׁנָה לִבְרִיאַת עוֹלָם, אִם יֹאמַר לְךָ אָדָם: קַח לָךְ שָׂדֶה שָׁוֶה אֶלֶף דִּינָרִים בְּדִינָר אֶחָד — אַל תִּקַּח. מַאי בֵּינַיְיהוּ? אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ תְּלָת שְׁנִין, דְּמַתְנִיתָא טָפְיָא תְּלָת שְׁנֵי.

Rabbi Ḥanina says: After the year 400 from the destruction of the Temple, if a person says to you: Purchase a field that is worth one thousand dinars for one dinar, do not purchase it. It is not a worthwhile investment, as the redemption will soon come and all fields will revert to their original owners. It was taught in a baraita: After the year 4,231 from the creation of the world, if a person says to you: Purchase a field that is worth one thousand dinars for one dinar, do not purchase it. The Gemara asks: What is the difference between these two dates? The Gemara answers: There is a difference between them of three years, as the baraita adds three years. The year 400 from the destruction of the Temple corresponds to the year 4,228 from the creation of the world.

הָהוּא שְׁטָרָא דַּהֲוָה כְּתִיב בֵּיהּ

§ The Gemara relates: There was a certain promissory note in which was written

Today’s daily daf tools:

Delve Deeper

Broaden your understanding of the topics on this daf with classes and podcasts from top women Talmud scholars.

For the Beyond the Daf shiurim offered in Hebrew, see here.

New to Talmud?

Check out our resources designed to help you navigate a page of Talmud – and study at the pace, level and style that fits you. 

The Hadran Women’s Tapestry

Meet the diverse women learning Gemara at Hadran and hear their stories. 

I started learning Daf in Jan 2020 with Brachot b/c I had never seen the Jewish people united around something so positive, and I wanted to be a part of it. Also, I wanted to broaden my background in Torah Shebal Peh- Maayanot gave me a great gemara education, but I knew that I could hold a conversation in most parts of tanach but almost no TSB. I’m so thankful for Daf and have gained immensely.

Meira Shapiro
Meira Shapiro

NJ, United States

I learned Talmud as a student in Yeshivat Ramaz and felt at the time that Talmud wasn’t for me. After reading Ilana Kurshan’s book I was intrigued and after watching the great siyum in Yerushalayim it ignited the spark to begin this journey. It has been a transformative life experience for me as a wife, mother, Savta and member of Klal Yisrael.
Elana Storch
Elana Storch

Phoenix, Arizona, United States

I decided to give daf yomi a try when I heard about the siyum hashas in 2020. Once the pandemic hit, the daily commitment gave my days some much-needed structure. There have been times when I’ve felt like quitting- especially when encountering very technical details in the text. But then I tell myself, “Look how much you’ve done. You can’t stop now!” So I keep going & my Koren bookshelf grows…

Miriam Eckstein-Koas
Miriam Eckstein-Koas

Huntington, United States

I started last year after completing the Pesach Sugiyot class. Masechet Yoma might seem like a difficult set of topics, but for me made Yom Kippur and the Beit HaMikdash come alive. Liturgy I’d always had trouble connecting with took on new meaning as I gained a sense of real people moving through specific spaces in particular ways. It was the perfect introduction; I am so grateful for Hadran!

Debbie Engelen-Eigles
Debbie Engelen-Eigles

Minnesota, United States

After reading the book, “ If All The Seas Were Ink “ by Ileana Kurshan I started studying Talmud. I searched and studied with several teachers until I found Michelle Farber. I have been studying with her for two years. I look forward every day to learn from her.

Janine Rubens
Janine Rubens

Virginia, United States

I started learning Dec 2019 after reading “If all the Seas Were Ink”. I found
Daily daf sessions of Rabbanit Michelle in her house teaching, I then heard about the siyum and a new cycle starting wow I am in! Afternoon here in Sydney, my family and friends know this is my sacred time to hide away to live zoom and learn. Often it’s hard to absorb and relate then a gem shines touching my heart.

Dianne Kuchar
Dianne Kuchar

Dover Heights, Australia

A few years back, after reading Ilana Kurshan’s book, “If All The Seas Were Ink,” I began pondering the crazy, outlandish idea of beginning the Daf Yomi cycle. Beginning in December, 2019, a month before the previous cycle ended, I “auditioned” 30 different podcasts in 30 days, and ultimately chose to take the plunge with Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle. Such joy!

Cindy Dolgin
Cindy Dolgin

HUNTINGTON, United States

A beautiful world of Talmudic sages now fill my daily life with discussion and debate.
bringing alive our traditions and texts that has brought new meaning to my life.
I am a מגילת אסתר reader for women . the words in the Mishna of מסכת megillah 17a
הקורא את המגילה למפרע לא יצא were powerful to me.
I hope to have the zchut to complete the cycle for my 70th birthday.

Sheila Hauser
Sheila Hauser

Jerusalem, Israel

After enthusing to my friend Ruth Kahan about how much I had enjoyed remote Jewish learning during the earlier part of the pandemic, she challenged me to join her in learning the daf yomi cycle. I had always wanted to do daf yomi but now had no excuse. The beginning was particularly hard as I had never studied Talmud but has become easier, as I have gained some familiarity with it.

Susan-Vishner-Hadran-photo-scaled
Susan Vishner

Brookline, United States

I heard about the syium in January 2020 & I was excited to start learning then the pandemic started. Learning Daf became something to focus on but also something stressful. As the world changed around me & my family I had to adjust my expectations for myself & the world. Daf Yomi & the Hadran podcast has been something I look forward to every day. It gives me a moment of centering & Judaism daily.

Talia Haykin
Talia Haykin

Denver, United States

I started learning Talmud with R’ Haramati in Yeshivah of Flatbush. But after a respite of 60 years, Rabbanit Michelle lit my fire – after attending the last three world siyumim in Miami Beach, Meadowlands and Boca Raton, and now that I’m retired, I decided – “I can do this!” It has been an incredible journey so far, and I look forward to learning Daf everyday – Mazal Tov to everyone!

Roslyn Jaffe
Roslyn Jaffe

Florida, United States

“I got my job through the NY Times” was an ad campaign when I was growing up. I can headline “I got my daily Daf shiur and Hadran through the NY Times”. I read the January 4, 2020 feature on Reb. Michelle Farber and Hadran and I have been participating ever since. Thanks NY Times & Hadran!
Deborah Aschheim
Deborah Aschheim

New York, United States

I start learning Daf Yomi in January 2020. The daily learning with Rabbanit Michelle has kept me grounded in this very uncertain time. Despite everything going on – the Pandemic, my personal life, climate change, war, etc… I know I can count on Hadran’s podcast to bring a smile to my face.
Deb Engel
Deb Engel

Los Angeles, United States

I started learning with rabbis. I needed to know more than the stories. My first teacher to show me “the way of the Talmud” as well as the stories was Samara Schwartz.
Michelle Farber started the new cycle 2 yrs ago and I jumped on for the ride.
I do not look back.

Jenifer Nech
Jenifer Nech

Houston, United States

I started learning at the start of this cycle, and quickly fell in love. It has become such an important part of my day, enriching every part of my life.

Naomi Niederhoffer
Naomi Niederhoffer

Toronto, Canada

I started with Ze Kollel in Berlin, directed by Jeremy Borowitz for Hillel Deutschland. We read Masechet Megillah chapter 4 and each participant wrote his commentary on a Sugia that particularly impressed him. I wrote six poems about different Sugiot! Fascinated by the discussions on Talmud I continued to learn with Rabanit Michelle Farber and am currently taking part in the Tikun Olam course.
Yael Merlini
Yael Merlini

Berlin, Germany

After enthusing to my friend Ruth Kahan about how much I had enjoyed remote Jewish learning during the earlier part of the pandemic, she challenged me to join her in learning the daf yomi cycle. I had always wanted to do daf yomi but now had no excuse. The beginning was particularly hard as I had never studied Talmud but has become easier, as I have gained some familiarity with it.

Susan-Vishner-Hadran-photo-scaled
Susan Vishner

Brookline, United States

I have joined the community of daf yomi learners at the start of this cycle. I have studied in different ways – by reading the page, translating the page, attending a local shiur and listening to Rabbanit Farber’s podcasts, depending on circumstances and where I was at the time. The reactions have been positive throughout – with no exception!

Silke Goldberg
Silke Goldberg

Guildford, United Kingdom

In July, 2012 I wrote for Tablet about the first all women’s siyum at Matan in Jerusalem, with 100 women. At the time, I thought, I would like to start with the next cycle – listening to a podcast at different times of day makes it possible. It is incredible that after 10 years, so many women are so engaged!

Beth Kissileff
Beth Kissileff

Pittsburgh, United States

It happened without intent (so am I yotzei?!) – I watched the women’s siyum live and was so moved by it that the next morning, I tuned in to Rabbanit Michelle’s shiur, and here I am, still learning every day, over 2 years later. Some days it all goes over my head, but others I grasp onto an idea or a story, and I ‘get it’ and that’s the best feeling in the world. So proud to be a Hadran learner.

Jeanne Yael Klempner
Jeanne Yael Klempner

Zichron Yaakov, Israel

Avodah Zarah 9

מַלְכוּת פָּרַס בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת שְׁלֹשִׁים וְאַרְבַּע שָׁנָה, מַלְכוּת יָוָן בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת מֵאָה וּשְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה, מַלְכוּת חַשְׁמוֹנַאי בִּפְנֵי הַבַּיִת מֵאָה וְשָׁלֹשׁ, מַלְכוּת בֵּית הוֹרְדוֹס מֵאָה וְשָׁלֹשׁ, מִכָּאן וְאֵילָךְ צֵא וַחֲשׁוֹב כַּמָּה שָׁנִים אַחַר חוּרְבַּן הַבַּיִת.

The Persian Empire, which ruled the world before the construction of the Temple, continued to do so for 34 years in the presence of the Temple, i.e., after the Temple was built; the Greek Empire ruled for 180 years in the presence of the Temple; the Hasmonean dynasty ruled for 103 years in the presence of the Temple; and the Herodian dynasty likewise ruled for 103 years. From this point forward, you can go and calculate the date on which an event occurred by how many years it happened after the destruction of the Temple.

אַלְמָא מָאתַן וְשֵׁית הֲווֹ, וְאַתְּ אָמְרַתְּ מֵאָה וּשְׁמוֹנִים הֲווֹ! אֶלָּא עֶשְׂרִין וְשֵׁית שְׁנִין קָמוּ בְּהֵימָנוּתַיְיהוּ בַּהֲדֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְלָא אִישְׁתַּעְבַּדוּ בְּהוּ, וְאַמְּטוּ לְהָכִי לָא קָא חָשֵׁיב לְהוּ כְּשֶׁפָּשְׁטָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה עַל יִשְׂרָאֵל.

According to this statement of Rabbi Yosei, evidently when the Greek rule over the Jewish people ended and the Roman rule began it was 206 years before the Second Temple was destroyed, i.e., the two sets of one hundred and three years of the Hasmonean dynasty and the Herodian dynasty. But you said that when the Roman Empire stretched forth over Israel and ruled over them it was 180 years before the Temple was destroyed. This is not a contradiction, but rather, it proves that for 26 years the Romans stood faithfully with the Jewish people, honoring their agreement, and did not subjugate them. And therefore, Rabbi Yishmael, son of Rabbi Yosei, does not count these 26 years among the total years in which the evil Roman Empire stretched forth over Israel and ruled over them.

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אִי טָעֵי הַאי תַּנָּא, וְלָא יָדַע פְּרָטֵי כַּמָּה הֲוָה — לִישַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְסָפְרָא כַּמָּה כָּתֵיב, וְנִיטַפֵּי עֲלַיְיהוּ עֶשְׂרִין שְׁנִין, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: ״זֶה לִּי עֶשְׂרִים שָׁנָה אָנֹכִי בְּבֵיתֶךָ״.

§ Apropos the above baraita, the Gemara relates that Rav Pappa said: If this tanna, i.e., one who dates years in reference to the destruction of the Temple, forgot and did not know the details of the date with regard to exactly how much time had passed since the destruction of the Temple, e.g., he remembered the century but could not recall the exact decade and year, let him ask a scribe who writes official documents how many years he writes when he dates the documents. The dating system of scribes uses as its starting point the beginning of the Greek rule, 380 years before the destruction of the Temple. And let him add 20 years to the number, and in this manner he will find his number [leḥumreih]. And your mnemonic to remember this is the verse: “These twenty years have I been in your house” (Genesis 31:41).

אִי טָעֵי סָפְרָא — נְשַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְתַנָּא כַּמָּה חָשֵׁיב, וּנְבַצַּר מִינַּיְיהוּ עֶשְׂרִין שְׁנִין, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ. וְסִימָנָיךְ: סָפְרָא בְּצִירָא, תַּנָּא תּוֹסְפָאָה.

Similarly, if a scribe forgot the exact year, let him ask the tanna how much time he calculates has passed since the Temple’s destruction, and he should deduct from the number twenty years, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic to remember that the tanna adds twenty to the date of the scribe, whereas the scribe deducts twenty from the number of the tanna, is as follows: A scribe deducts, while a tanna adds on [tosfa’a]. This is a play on the phrase tanna tosfa’a, which also means to teach the Tosefta, the practice of a tanna.

תָּנָא דְּבֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ: שֵׁשֶׁת אֲלָפִים שָׁנָה הָוֵי הָעוֹלָם, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹהוּ, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹרָה, שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים יְמוֹת הַמָּשִׁיחַ, בַּעֲוֹנוֹתֵינוּ שֶׁרַבּוּ יָצְאוּ מֵהֶן מַה שֶּׁיָּצְאוּ מֵהֶן.

In relation to the discussion on the calculation of years, the Gemara states that one of the Sages of the school of Eliyahu taught: The world is destined to exist for six thousand years. For two thousand years the world was waste, as the Torah had not yet been given. The next set of two thousand years are the time period of the Torah. The last set of two thousand years are the period designated for the days of the Messiah, but due to our many sins there are those years that have been taken from them, i.e., such and such years have already passed and have been taken from the two thousand years that are designated for the Messiah, and the Messiah has not yet arrived. Whenever a tanna taught this baraita, he would insert the number of years that was correct for his time.

שְׁנֵי אֲלָפִים תּוֹרָה מֵאֵימַת? אִי נֵימָא מִמַּתַּן תּוֹרָה עַד הַשְׁתָּא, לֵיכָּא כּוּלֵּי הַאי, דְּכִי מְעַיְּינַתְּ בְּהוּ תְּרֵי אַלְפֵי פְּרָטֵי דְּהַאי אַלְפָּא הוּא דַּהֲוַאי.

The Gemara asks: With regard to the two thousand years of the time period of the Torah, from when are they counted? If we say that they started from the giving of the Torah until now, then there is not enough time for all of these years. As, when you examine the calculations, it is evident that from the creation of the world until the giving of the Torah there were two thousand years plus a part of this third thousand, as the Torah was given 2,448 years after the creation of the world. This would mean that the time period of the Torah encroaches upon the days of the Messiah.

אֶלָּא, מִ״וְּאֶת הַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ בְחָרָן״, וּגְמִירִי דְּאַבְרָהָם בְּהָהִיא שַׁעְתָּא בַּר חַמְשִׁין וְתַרְתֵּי הֲוָה.

Rather, the two-thousand-year time period of the Torah is counted from the time when it is stated about Abraham and Sarah: “And the souls that they had gotten in Haran (Genesis 12:5), which is interpreted by the Sages as referring to the men and women who were brought closer to the Torah by Abraham and Sarah. Therefore, it was at this point that the Torah began to spread throughout the world. And it is learned as a tradition that at that time Abraham was fifty-two years old.

כַּמָּה בָּצְרָן מִדְּתָנֵי תַּנָּא? אַרְבַּע מֵאָה וְאַרְבָּעִים וּתְמָנְיָא שְׁנִין הָוְיָין, כִּי מְעַיְּינַתְּ בֵּיהּ מֵ״הַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ בְחָרָן״ עַד מַתַּן תּוֹרָה — אַרְבַּע מְאָה וְאַרְבָּעִים וּתְמָנְיָא שְׁנִין הָוְיָין.

How many years are missing from the two thousand year period of the Messiah, if the period of the Torah that is taught by the tanna is counted from the giving of the Torah? There are 448 missing years. When you examine the calculation from the time when it is stated about Abraham and Sarah: “The souls that they had gotten in Haran,” until the time of the giving of the Torah, there are 448 years.

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אִי טָעֵי תַּנָּא וְלָא יָדַע פְּרָטֵיהּ כַּמָּה הָוֵי — לִישַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְסָפְרָא כַּמָּה כְּתִיב, וְנִיטַפֵּי עֲלַיְיהוּ אַרְבְּעִין וְתַמְנֵי, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ:

With regard to this baraita as well, Rav Pappa said: If a tanna meant to state that at his time such and such years were already lost from the two thousand years that are designated for the days of the Messiah, but he forgot and did not know the details of exactly how much time had passed, let him ask a scribe how many years he writes when he dates documents. And let him add forty-eight to the number, correcting for the century, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic for this is the verse:

״אַרְבָּעִים וּשְׁמֹנֶה עִיר״. וְאִי טָעֵי סָפְרָא — נְשַׁיְּילֵיהּ לְתַנָּא כַּמָּה קָתָנֵי, וְנִיבַצַּר מִינַּיְיהוּ אַרְבָּעִים וּשְׁמוֹנֶה, וּמַשְׁכַּח לֵיהּ לְחוּמְרֵיהּ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: סָפְרָא בְּצִירָא, תַּנָּא תּוֹסְפָאָה.

“Forty-eight cities” (Numbers 35:7). Similarly, if a scribe forgot the exact year, let him ask the tanna how many years does he teach have already been lost from the two thousand years that are designated for the days of the Messiah. And he should deduct forty-eight years from the number, correcting for the century, and in this manner he will find his number. And your mnemonic to remember that the tanna must add to the date of the scribe, while the scribe must deduct from the number of the tanna, is again: A scribe deducts, while a tanna adds on [tosfa’a].

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: הַאי מַאן דְּלָא יָדַע כַּמָּה שְׁנֵי בְּשָׁבוּעַ הוּא עוֹמֵד — נִיטַּפֵּי חַד שַׁתָּא, וְנִחְשׁוֹב כְּלָלֵי בְּיוֹבְלֵי, וּפְרָטֵי בְּשָׁבוּעֵי.

§ Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, says: In the case of one who does not know which year of the seven-year Sabbatical cycle he stands in, he should add one year to the years that have passed since the destruction of the Temple in order to begin at the start of a Sabbatical cycle. And he should calculate the general years, i.e., the centuries, as Jubilee cycles, as every Jubilee concludes seven completed Sabbatical cycles of forty-nine years, and the details as Sabbatical cycles, i.e., he should divide the remaining years into seven-year Sabbatical cycles.

וְנִשְׁקֹל מִמֵּאָה תְּרֵי, וְנִשְׁדֵּי אַפְּרָטֵי, וְנַחְשׁוֹבִינְהוּ לִפְרָטֵי בְּשָׁבוּעֵי, וְיִדַּע כַּמָּה שְׁנֵי בְּשָׁבוּעַ, וְסִימָנָיךְ: ״כִּי זֶה שְׁנָתַיִם הָרָעָב בְּקֶרֶב הָאָרֶץ״.

But as the Jubilee Year itself is counted as one year of a Sabbatical cycle, he should take, from every hundred years that passed, two years, and add it to the details, i.e., the remaining decades and single years. And then he should calculate with the details by dividing them into Sabbatical cycles. And from the remainder he will know how many years in the current Sabbatical cycle have passed. And your mnemonic that two years must be deducted from every century is the following verse: “For these two years the famine has been in the land” (Genesis 45:6).

אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא: אַחַר אַרְבַּע מֵאוֹת לְחוּרְבַּן הַבַּיִת, אִם יֹאמַר לְךָ אָדָם: קַח שָׂדֶה שָׁוֶה אֶלֶף דִּינָרִים בְּדִינָר אֶחָד — לֹא תִּקַּח. בְּמַתְנִיתָא תָּנָא: אַחַר אַרְבַּעַת אֲלָפִים וּמָאתַיִם וּשְׁלֹשִׁים וְאַחַת שָׁנָה לִבְרִיאַת עוֹלָם, אִם יֹאמַר לְךָ אָדָם: קַח לָךְ שָׂדֶה שָׁוֶה אֶלֶף דִּינָרִים בְּדִינָר אֶחָד — אַל תִּקַּח. מַאי בֵּינַיְיהוּ? אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ תְּלָת שְׁנִין, דְּמַתְנִיתָא טָפְיָא תְּלָת שְׁנֵי.

Rabbi Ḥanina says: After the year 400 from the destruction of the Temple, if a person says to you: Purchase a field that is worth one thousand dinars for one dinar, do not purchase it. It is not a worthwhile investment, as the redemption will soon come and all fields will revert to their original owners. It was taught in a baraita: After the year 4,231 from the creation of the world, if a person says to you: Purchase a field that is worth one thousand dinars for one dinar, do not purchase it. The Gemara asks: What is the difference between these two dates? The Gemara answers: There is a difference between them of three years, as the baraita adds three years. The year 400 from the destruction of the Temple corresponds to the year 4,228 from the creation of the world.

הָהוּא שְׁטָרָא דַּהֲוָה כְּתִיב בֵּיהּ

§ The Gemara relates: There was a certain promissory note in which was written

Want to follow content and continue where you left off?

Create an account today to track your progress, mark what you’ve learned, and follow the shiurim that speak to you.

Clear all items from this list?

This will remove ALL the items in this section. You will lose any progress or history connected to them. This is irreversible.

Cancel
Yes, clear all

Are you sure you want to delete this item?

You will lose any progress or history connected to this item.

Cancel
Yes, delete