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Today’s daf is sponsored by Hannah Hashkes in memory of her mother-in-law Chaya Sarah (Sally) bat Genya and Mordechai Rubin on her birthday, Simchat Torah outside of Israel. “She was active in supporting women’s Torah learning throughout her life.” 

Can one go to a store and ask for a utensil full of food if the utensil is a measuring utensil? Rabbi Yehuda and the rabbis disagree – Shmuel and Rava bring two different explanations of their debate. Either way, their approach is the opposite of the Mishnah in Beitzah 28 where Rabbi Yehuda is more lenient, as here it is clear that Rabbi Yehuda is stricter. How does the Gemara resolve that contradiction? Abba Shaul ben Butnit would do all his measuring before Yom Tov. The Mishna tries to prove from here that he was strict but two other opinions are brought to show that he either did this on every day of Chol Hamoed as well or on all days for other reasons – to prevent any sort of stealing from his buyers. Can one measure flour for making bread in order to ensure the proper amount is removed to give to the kohen? Rav and Shmuel debate. A difficulty is raised against Shmuel as he quoted a braita saying it is permitted, however, he forbids it. How is this issue resolved? Can one sift flour a second time on Yom Tov, as there is no more removing the bad from the good, one is just trying to make the flour more refined? There are differing opinions about this and whether or not it can be done normally or with some sort of change. What if something external fell into the flour – can it be removed with a sifter or by hand? Which is better? According to the Mishna, one can ask a store owner for items by number, just not by weight or, according to Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar not by mentioning money. What types of things can one not carry on Yom Tov and in what amount/manner does it appear as one does on a weekday? From where is one allowed/not allowed to take straw/wood for kindling on Yom Tov?

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Beitzah 29

דִּבְסוּרָא אָמְרִי: תַּרְטָא וּפַלְגוּ תַּרְטָא. בְּנַרֶשׁ אָמְרִי: חֶלְקָא וּפַלְגוּ חֶלְקָא. בְּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא אָמְרִי: אוּזְיָא וּפַלְגוּ אוּזְיָא. בִּנְהַר פְּקוֹד וּבְמָתָא מַחְסֵיָא אָמְרִי: רִבְעָא וּפַלְגוּ רִבְעָא.

they would say in Sura: Give me that cut of meat called a tarta or half a tarta, without naming a price. In Neresh they would say in reference to those same portions: A part or half a part. In Pumbedita they would say: An uzya or half an uzya. In Nehar Pekod and in Mata Meḥasya they would say: Give me a quarter or half a quarter, thereby establishing the size of the portion without mentioning its price.

מַתְנִי׳ אוֹמֵר אָדָם לַחֲבֵרוֹ: מַלֵּא לִי כְּלִי זֶה, אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אִם הָיָה כְּלִי שֶׁל מִדָּה — לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. מַעֲשֶׂה בְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל בֶּן בָּטְנִית, שֶׁהָיָה מְמַלֵּא מִדּוֹתָיו מֵעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב וְנוֹתְנָן לַלָּקוֹחוֹת בְּיוֹם טוֹב.

MISHNA: One person may say to another on a Festival: Fill this vessel for me, and I will return its contents or reimburse you after the Festival, but he may not ask him to fill the vessel in a particular measure. Rabbi Yehuda says: If it was a measuring utensil, he may not fill it. There was an incident involving Abba Shaul ben Botnit, a Sage who was also a grocer, who would fill his measures on the eve of a Festival and give them to his customers on the Festival. In this way he would know exactly how much he had given each person, without conducting any measurements on the Festival itself.

אַבָּא שָׁאוּל אוֹמֵר: אַף בַּמּוֹעֵד עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן, מִפְּנֵי בֵּרוּרֵי הַמִּדּוֹת. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אַף בַּחוֹל עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן, מִפְּנֵי מִצּוּי הַמִּדּוֹת.

Abba Shaul, a Sage distinct from Abba Shaul ben Botnit, says: He would do this even on the intermediate days of a Festival because of the clarity of the measures, i.e., in order to clarify precisely how much must be given to each customer, since the measurement is more precise once the foam of the liquid being measured has subsided. And the Rabbis say: Even on a weekday it is proper to do so, because of the draining of the measures. This method allows all the liquid to drain fully out of the seller’s measuring utensil so that the amount is exact.

גְּמָ׳ מַאי ״אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה״? אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: אֲבָל לֹא בִּכְלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה. אֲבָל כְּלִי הָעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה — יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. וַאֲתָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְמֵימַר אֲפִילּוּ כְּלִי הָעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ.

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: What is the meaning of the phrase: But not in a measure? Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: But not with a vessel designated for measuring; however, in the case of a vessel that can be used for measuring but has yet to be used for this purpose, he may fill it. According to this, Rabbi Yehuda comes to disagree and say that he may not fill even a vessel that can be used for measuring.

אַלְמָא גַּבֵּי שִׂמְחַת יוֹם טוֹב רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְחוּמְרָא וְרַבָּנַן לְקוּלָּא? וְהָא אִפְּכָא שָׁמְעִינַן לְהוּ! דִּתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: שׁוֹקֵל אָדָם בָּשָׂר כְּנֶגֶד הַכְּלִי וּכְנֶגֶד הַקּוֹפִיץ, וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֵין מַשְׁגִּיחִין בְּכַף מֹאזְנַיִם כׇּל עִיקָּר. אַלְמָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְקוּלָּא וְרַבָּנַן לְחוּמְרָא. קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה, קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן!

The Gemara asks: Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda is stringent with regard to the joy of the Festival in that he prohibits the use of any sort of measuring utensil, while the Rabbis are lenient. But didn’t we hear them state the opposite, as we learned in an earlier mishna (28a) that Rabbi Yehuda says: A person selling meat on a Festival may weigh the meat against a vessel or against a cleaver, and the Rabbis say: One may not look at the pans of a balance scale at all? Apparently, here, the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda is lenient, while the opinion of the Rabbis is stringent. Therefore, there is a contradiction between the one statement of Rabbi Yehuda and the other statement of Rabbi Yehuda, as well as a contradiction between the one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis.

דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם בְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ עוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה, הָכָא בְּעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה.

The Gemara answers: With regard to the contradiction between the one teaching of Rabbi Yehuda and the other teaching of Rabbi Yehuda, this is not difficult. There, where he is lenient, he is dealing with a vessel that cannot be used for measuring on a regular basis at all, whereas here, he is referring to a vessel that can be used for measuring, and therefore he is stringent even if the vessel has not yet actually been used in this capacity.

דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן נָמֵי לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, הָכָא לָא קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל.

With regard to the contradiction between the one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis, it is also not difficult. There, he is acting in a weekday manner, and consequently they prohibit the weighing, whereas here, he is not acting in a weekday manner, as the vessel is not a measuring utensil, and consequently they permit him to use it. This completes the Gemara’s discussion of Shmuel’s explanation of the mishna.

רָבָא אָמַר: מַאי ״אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה״ — שֶׁלֹּא יִזְכּוֹר לוֹ שֵׁם מִדָּה, אֲבָל כְּלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה — יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. וַאֲתָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְמֵימַר: כְּלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה — לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ.

The Gemara offers a second explanation of the mishna. Rava said: What is the meaning of the phrase: But not by measure? It means that he may not mention to him the name of the measure. For example, he may not say: Fill for me one kav, or two kav. However, he may fill a vessel even if it is designated for measuring. And Rabbi Yehuda comes to say: He may not fill a vessel designated for measuring, even if he does not stipulate a particular measure.

אַלְמָא גַּבֵּי שִׂמְחַת יוֹם טוֹב רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְחוּמְרָא וְרַבָּנַן לְקוּלָּא? וְהָא אִפְּכָא שָׁמְעִינַן לְהוּ! דִּתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: שׁוֹקֵל אָדָם בָּשָׂר כְּנֶגֶד הַכְּלִי וּכְנֶגֶד הַקּוֹפִיץ, וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֵין מַשְׁגִּיחִין בְּכַף מֹאזְנַיִם כׇּל עִיקָּר. אַלְמָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְקוּלָּא וְרַבָּנַן לְחוּמְרָא. קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה, קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן!

The Gemara asks: Apparently, with regard to the joy of the Festival, Rabbi Yehuda is stringent, and the Rabbis are lenient. But didn’t we hear them state the opposite, as we learned in an earlier mishna (28a) that Rabbi Yehuda says: A person may weigh meat against a vessel or against a cleaver, and the Rabbis prohibit this and say: One may not look at the pans of a balance scale at all? Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda is lenient, while the Rabbis are stringent. Therefore, there is a contradiction between one statement of Rabbi Yehuda and the other statement of Rabbi Yehuda, and there is also a contradiction between one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis.

דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם בְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ מְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה, הָכָא מְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה. דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן נָמֵי לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, הָכָא לָא קָעָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, דְּעָבְדִי אִינָשֵׁי דִּמְקָרְבִי חַמְרָא בְּמָנָא דְכִילָא וְשָׁתוּ.

The Gemara answers: With regard to the contradiction between one teaching of Rabbi Yehuda and the other teaching of Rabbi Yehuda, this is not difficult. There, with regard to weighing meat against a vessel, he is dealing with a vessel that is not designated for measuring, and therefore he is lenient, whereas here, he is referring to a vessel that is designated for measuring, with regard to which he is stringent. With regard to the contradiction between one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis, this is also not difficult. There, he is acting in a weekday manner, and consequently they prohibit the weighing, whereas here, he is not acting in a weekday manner, as people are accustomed to offer their friends wine in a measuring utensil and drink. Since the use of such a vessel is not exclusive to commercial transactions, the Rabbis permitted it here as well.

מַעֲשֶׂה בְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל בֶּן בָּטְנִית. תָּנָא: אַף בַּמּוֹעֵד עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן מִפְּנֵי בִּטּוּל בֵּית הַמִּדְרָשׁ.

§ The mishna recounted an incident involving Abba Shaul ben Botnit, a Sage who was also a grocer, who would fill his measures on the eve of a Festival and give them to his customers on the Festival. A tanna taught in a baraita: He would do this even on the intermediate days of a Festival, in order to prevent dereliction of Torah study in the study hall. Since he wanted to spend most of his day in the study hall and not have to interrupt his study to carry out measurements, he would measure for his customers at night, when it was not a time of study.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: הוּא כָּנַס שְׁלֹשׁ מֵאוֹת גַּרְבֵי יַיִן מִבֵּרוּרֵי הַמִּדּוֹת, וַחֲבֵרָיו כָּנְסוּ שְׁלֹשׁ מֵאוֹת גַּרְבֵי שֶׁמֶן מִמִּצּוּי הַמִּדּוֹת, וֶהֱבִיאוּם לִפְנֵי הַגִּזְבָּרִים לִירוּשָׁלַיִם.

The Sages taught in a baraita: Abba Shaul ben Botnit collected three hundred earthenware jugs of wine, to which he thought he was not entitled due to the clarity of the measures, as he thought that he had unfairly profited from the foam at the top of the liquid he measured. And his colleagues, similarly God-fearing grocers, collected three hundred earthenware jugs of oil, which they thought were not rightly theirs due to the draining of the measures; they were concerned that because they had measured for their customers using their own vessels, they might not have drained the entire measure from their containers into the customers’ vessels. And they brought these jugs of wine and oil to Jerusalem before the Temple treasurers, as they did not want to benefit from possibly stolen goods.

אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: אִי אַתֶּם זְקוּקִים לְכָךְ. אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: אַף אָנוּ אֵין רְצוֹנֵנוּ בְּכָךְ.

The treasurers said to them: You need not do this, as all buyers take into account the foam and what is left in the sellers’ vessels and pay with this in mind. They said to them: Just like the buyers give up their claim to it, we too do not wish to benefit from this, even if strictly speaking it is not considered stolen property.

אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: הוֹאִיל וְהֶחְמַרְתֶּם עַל עַצְמְכֶם — עֲשׂוּ מֵהֶם צׇרְכֵי רַבִּים. דְּתַנְיָא: גָּזַל וְאֵינוֹ יוֹדֵעַ מִמִּי גָּזַל — יַעֲשֶׂה בָּהֶם צׇרְכֵי רַבִּים. מַאי נִינְהוּ? אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: בּוֹרוֹת, שִׁיחִין וּמְעָרוֹת.

The treasurers said to them: Since you are so stringent with yourselves, use the wine and oil for communal needs. As it is taught in a baraita: If one stole and does not know from whom he stole, he should use the stolen items for communal needs, thereby repaying all of the Jewish people. The Gemara asks: What are communal needs? Rav Ḥisda said: He should finance the digging of cisterns, ditches, and caves, for storing water for travelers.

אַדְבְּרֵיהּ רַב חִסְדָּא לְרַבָּנָא עוּקְבָא, וּדְרַשׁ: לֹא יִמְדּוֹד אָדָם שְׂעוֹרִים וְיִתֵּן לִפְנֵי בְּהֶמְתּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב, אֲבָל קוֹדֵר הוּא קַב אוֹ קַבִּים וְנוֹתֵן לִפְנֵי בְּהֶמְתּוֹ, וְאֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ. וְהַנַּחְתּוֹם מוֹדֵד תַּבְלִין וְנוֹתֵן לְתוֹךְ קְדֵרָתוֹ, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יַקְדִּיחַ תַּבְשִׁילוֹ.

§ Rav Ḥisda authorized Rabbana Ukva to give a public lecture, and he taught the following: A person may not measure barley and place it before his animal on a Festival, but he may cut out [koder] a hole in the pile of grain by means of a vessel of one kav or two kav, and place the barley before his animal, and he need not be concerned about the measuring this entails, as he does not transgress the prohibition against using a measuring utensil if he is not particular about measuring precisely. And a baker may measure spices and put them in his pot, so as not to spoil his dish, since if he puts in too much he will ruin the food.

אָמַר רַב יִרְמְיָה בַּר אַבָּא אָמַר רַב: מוֹדֶדֶת אִשָּׁה קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב וְנוֹתֶנֶת לְתוֹךְ עִיסָּתָהּ כְּדֵי שֶׁתִּטּוֹל חַלָּה בְּעַיִן יָפָה. וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אָסוּר. וְהָא תָּנָא דְּבֵי שְׁמוּאֵל, מוּתָּר!

Rav Yirmeya bar Abba said that Rav said: A woman may measure flour on a Festival and put it into her dough in order to separate ḥalla generously, because if she knows the exact amount of dough she can separate the proper amount of ḥalla. And Shmuel said: It is prohibited, as she can estimate the amount that must be set aside as ḥalla. The Gemara asks: But didn’t a Sage of the school of Shmuel teach a baraita stating that this is permitted?

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הַשְׁתָּא דְּאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל אָסוּר, וְתָנָא דְּבֵי שְׁמוּאֵל מוּתָּר,

Abaye said: Now that it is known that Shmuel said it is prohibited and a Sage of the school of Shmuel taught a baraita that it is permitted,

שְׁמוּאֵל — הֲלָכָה לְמַעֲשֶׂה אֲתָא לְאַשְׁמוֹעִינַן.

it is reasonable to conclude that Shmuel came to teach us the practical halakha. Knowing that a baraita permits the practice, Shmuel found it necessary to state that the halakha is otherwise.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: אֵין שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב. מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי פַּפְּיָיס וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה בֶּן בְּתִירָא אָמְרוּ: שׁוֹנִין. וְשָׁוִין שֶׁאִם נָפַל לְתוֹכָן צְרוֹר אוֹ קֵיסָם, שֶׁשּׁוֹנִין.

§ The Sages taught in a baraita: One may not sift flour a second time on a Festival, as this involves unnecessary extra effort. They said in the name of Rabbi Papeyyas and Rabbi Yehuda ben Beteira: One may sift flour a second time. However, they all agree that if a pebble or a wood chip fell into the flour after it had been sifted the previous day, one may sift it a second time in order to remove the items.

תָּנֵי תַּנָּא קַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבִינָא: אֵין שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב, אֲבָל נָפַל צְרוֹר אוֹ קֵיסָם — בּוֹרֵר בְּיָדוֹ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן דְּאָסוּר, דְּהָוֵה לֵיהּ כְּבוֹרֵר.

A tanna taught the following baraita before Ravina: One may not sift flour a second time on a Festival, but if a pebble or a wood chip fell into the flour after the first sifting, he may remove it with his hand. Ravina said to him: All the more so is the latter procedure prohibited, as it is similar to the prohibited labor of selecting. It is therefore preferable to sift the flour with a sieve, and the unwanted items will thereby be removed.

דָּרֵשׁ רָבָא בַּר רַב הוּנָא זוּטֵי אַפִּתְחָא דִנְהַרְדְּעָא: שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב. אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב נַחְמָן: פּוּקוּ וֶאֱמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְאַבָּא: שְׁקִילָא טֵיבוּתָךְ וְשַׁדְיָ[א] אַחִזְרֵי, פּוֹק חֲזִי כַּמָּה מַהוֹלָתָא הַדְרָן בִּנְהַרְדְּעָא.

Rava bar Rav Huna the Short taught at the entrance to Neharde’a: One may sift flour a second time on a Festival. Rav Naḥman said to the students standing before him: Go out and say to Abba, i.e., to Rava bar Rav Huna, as Rava is a shortened form of Rav Abba: Your good has been removed and cast upon thorns, meaning that your teachings are not needed. Go out and see how many sieves circulate in Neharde’a, as all the women already know that this is permitted.

דְּבֵיתְהוּ דְּרַב יוֹסֵף נָהֲלָא קִמְחָא אַגַּבָּא דְּמַהוֹלְתָּא. אֲמַר לַהּ: חֲזַי, דַּאֲנָא רִפְתָּא מְעַלַּיְתָא בָּעֵינָא. דְּבֵיתְהוּ דְּרַב אָשֵׁי נָהֲלָא קִמְחָא אַגַּבָּא דְּפָתוּרָא. אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: הָא דִּידַן, בְּרַתֵּיה דְּרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא, וְרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא מָרָא דְעוֹבָדָא הֲוָה, וְאִי לָאו דַּחֲזַאי מִבֵּי נָשָׁא לָא הֲוָה עָבְדָא.

The Gemara relates that Rav Yosef’s wife was once sifting flour in an unusual manner on the reverse side of a sieve. He said to her: Look, I want good-quality bread, hinting that she need not invert the sieve but may sift the flour in her regular fashion. The Gemara likewise relates that Rav Ashi’s wife was once sifting flour onto a table, rather than into a bowl in the usual manner. Rav Ashi said: This one of ours, my wife, is the daughter of Rami bar Ḥama, and Rami bar Ḥama is a master of good deeds who is meticulous in his performance of mitzvot. Had my wife not observed this practice in her father’s house, she would not have acted in this manner. Therefore, one can learn the halakha in practice from her actions.

מַתְנִי׳ הוֹלֵךְ אָדָם אֵצֶל חֶנְוָנִי הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי בֵּיצִים וֶאֱגוֹזִים בְּמִנְיָן, שֶׁכֵּן דֶּרֶךְ בַּעַל הַבַּיִת לִהְיוֹת מוֹנֶה בְּתוֹךְ בֵּיתוֹ.

MISHNA: A person may go on a Festival to a grocer from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me eggs and nuts of such-and-such a number, as it is the manner of a homeowner to count this way in his own house. Counting eggs or nuts is not considered a commercial activity, as people regularly mention the number of eggs and nuts that they need.

גְּמָ׳ תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: הוֹלֵךְ אָדָם אֵצֶל רוֹעֶה הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי גְּדִי אֶחָד אוֹ טָלֶה אֶחָד. אֵצֶל טַבָּח הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי כַּף אַחַת אוֹ יָרֵךְ אַחַת. אֵצֶל פַּטָּם הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי תּוֹר אֶחָד אוֹ גּוֹזָל אֶחָד. אֵצֶל נַחְתּוֹם הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי כִּכָּר אֶחָד אוֹ גְּלוּסְקָא אַחַת.

GEMARA: The Sages taught in the Tosefta: A person may go on a Festival to a shepherd with whom he is accustomed to deal and say to him: Give me one kid, or one lamb. Similarly, one may go on a Festival to a butcher from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one foreleg of an animal, or one thigh. Likewise, one may approach one who deals in fattened fowl from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one dove or one pigeon. He may also visit a baker from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one loaf or one cake [geluska].

וְאֵצֶל חֶנְוָנִי הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי עֶשְׂרִים בֵּיצִים, אוֹ חֲמִשִּׁים אֱגוֹזִים, עֲשָׂרָה אֲפַרְסְקִין, וַחֲמִשָּׁה רִמּוֹנִים וְאֶתְרוֹג אֶחָד. וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יַזְכִּיר לוֹ סְכוּם מִדָּה. רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יַזְכִּיר לוֹ סְכוּם מִקָּח.

And one may go on a Festival to a grocer from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me twenty eggs, or fifty nuts, or ten peaches, or five pomegranates, or one etrog, provided that he does not mention any measure. In other words, he must not specify a unit of measurement, e.g., a kav; rather, he must state a number, which is not the usual manner of making a purchase. Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar says: This is permitted, provided that he does not mention the amount of the purchase, meaning that he must not mention the sum of money that he is spending, but rather he must take what he needs and after the Festival they will calculate how much he owes.



הֲדַרַן עֲלָךְ אֵין צָדִין

הַמֵּבִיא כַּדֵּי יַיִן מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם — לֹא יְבִיאֵם בְּסַל וּבְקוּפָּה, אֲבָל מֵבִיא הוּא עַל כְּתֵפוֹ אוֹ לְפָנָיו. וְכֵן הַמּוֹלִיךְ אֶת הַתֶּבֶן — לֹא יַפְשִׁיל אֶת הַקּוּפָּה לַאֲחוֹרָיו, אֲבָל מְבִיאָהּ הוּא בְּיָדוֹ. וּמַתְחִילִין

MISHNA: One who brings wine jugs from one place to another place may not bring a large number of them in a basket or in a tub in the usual weekday manner on a Festival, as this is disrespectful of the Festival; but he may bring one or two barrels on his shoulder or carry them in front of himself. Similarly, one who brings straw for kindling or for feeding animals may not place the tub behind him while carrying it, as this is the usual weekday manner; but he may transport it in front of him in his hand, in an unusual fashion. And one may begin taking straw for kindling

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Beitzah 29

דִּבְסוּרָא אָמְרִי: תַּרְטָא וּפַלְגוּ תַּרְטָא. בְּנַרֶשׁ אָמְרִי: חֶלְקָא וּפַלְגוּ חֶלְקָא. בְּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא אָמְרִי: אוּזְיָא וּפַלְגוּ אוּזְיָא. בִּנְהַר פְּקוֹד וּבְמָתָא מַחְסֵיָא אָמְרִי: רִבְעָא וּפַלְגוּ רִבְעָא.

they would say in Sura: Give me that cut of meat called a tarta or half a tarta, without naming a price. In Neresh they would say in reference to those same portions: A part or half a part. In Pumbedita they would say: An uzya or half an uzya. In Nehar Pekod and in Mata Meḥasya they would say: Give me a quarter or half a quarter, thereby establishing the size of the portion without mentioning its price.

מַתְנִי׳ אוֹמֵר אָדָם לַחֲבֵרוֹ: מַלֵּא לִי כְּלִי זֶה, אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אִם הָיָה כְּלִי שֶׁל מִדָּה — לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. מַעֲשֶׂה בְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל בֶּן בָּטְנִית, שֶׁהָיָה מְמַלֵּא מִדּוֹתָיו מֵעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב וְנוֹתְנָן לַלָּקוֹחוֹת בְּיוֹם טוֹב.

MISHNA: One person may say to another on a Festival: Fill this vessel for me, and I will return its contents or reimburse you after the Festival, but he may not ask him to fill the vessel in a particular measure. Rabbi Yehuda says: If it was a measuring utensil, he may not fill it. There was an incident involving Abba Shaul ben Botnit, a Sage who was also a grocer, who would fill his measures on the eve of a Festival and give them to his customers on the Festival. In this way he would know exactly how much he had given each person, without conducting any measurements on the Festival itself.

אַבָּא שָׁאוּל אוֹמֵר: אַף בַּמּוֹעֵד עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן, מִפְּנֵי בֵּרוּרֵי הַמִּדּוֹת. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אַף בַּחוֹל עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן, מִפְּנֵי מִצּוּי הַמִּדּוֹת.

Abba Shaul, a Sage distinct from Abba Shaul ben Botnit, says: He would do this even on the intermediate days of a Festival because of the clarity of the measures, i.e., in order to clarify precisely how much must be given to each customer, since the measurement is more precise once the foam of the liquid being measured has subsided. And the Rabbis say: Even on a weekday it is proper to do so, because of the draining of the measures. This method allows all the liquid to drain fully out of the seller’s measuring utensil so that the amount is exact.

גְּמָ׳ מַאי ״אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה״? אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: אֲבָל לֹא בִּכְלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה. אֲבָל כְּלִי הָעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה — יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. וַאֲתָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְמֵימַר אֲפִילּוּ כְּלִי הָעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ.

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: What is the meaning of the phrase: But not in a measure? Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: But not with a vessel designated for measuring; however, in the case of a vessel that can be used for measuring but has yet to be used for this purpose, he may fill it. According to this, Rabbi Yehuda comes to disagree and say that he may not fill even a vessel that can be used for measuring.

אַלְמָא גַּבֵּי שִׂמְחַת יוֹם טוֹב רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְחוּמְרָא וְרַבָּנַן לְקוּלָּא? וְהָא אִפְּכָא שָׁמְעִינַן לְהוּ! דִּתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: שׁוֹקֵל אָדָם בָּשָׂר כְּנֶגֶד הַכְּלִי וּכְנֶגֶד הַקּוֹפִיץ, וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֵין מַשְׁגִּיחִין בְּכַף מֹאזְנַיִם כׇּל עִיקָּר. אַלְמָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְקוּלָּא וְרַבָּנַן לְחוּמְרָא. קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה, קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן!

The Gemara asks: Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda is stringent with regard to the joy of the Festival in that he prohibits the use of any sort of measuring utensil, while the Rabbis are lenient. But didn’t we hear them state the opposite, as we learned in an earlier mishna (28a) that Rabbi Yehuda says: A person selling meat on a Festival may weigh the meat against a vessel or against a cleaver, and the Rabbis say: One may not look at the pans of a balance scale at all? Apparently, here, the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda is lenient, while the opinion of the Rabbis is stringent. Therefore, there is a contradiction between the one statement of Rabbi Yehuda and the other statement of Rabbi Yehuda, as well as a contradiction between the one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis.

דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם בְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ עוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה, הָכָא בְּעוֹמֵד לְמִדָּה.

The Gemara answers: With regard to the contradiction between the one teaching of Rabbi Yehuda and the other teaching of Rabbi Yehuda, this is not difficult. There, where he is lenient, he is dealing with a vessel that cannot be used for measuring on a regular basis at all, whereas here, he is referring to a vessel that can be used for measuring, and therefore he is stringent even if the vessel has not yet actually been used in this capacity.

דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן נָמֵי לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, הָכָא לָא קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל.

With regard to the contradiction between the one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis, it is also not difficult. There, he is acting in a weekday manner, and consequently they prohibit the weighing, whereas here, he is not acting in a weekday manner, as the vessel is not a measuring utensil, and consequently they permit him to use it. This completes the Gemara’s discussion of Shmuel’s explanation of the mishna.

רָבָא אָמַר: מַאי ״אֲבָל לֹא בְּמִדָּה״ — שֶׁלֹּא יִזְכּוֹר לוֹ שֵׁם מִדָּה, אֲבָל כְּלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה — יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ. וַאֲתָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְמֵימַר: כְּלִי הַמְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה — לֹא יְמַלְּאֶנּוּ.

The Gemara offers a second explanation of the mishna. Rava said: What is the meaning of the phrase: But not by measure? It means that he may not mention to him the name of the measure. For example, he may not say: Fill for me one kav, or two kav. However, he may fill a vessel even if it is designated for measuring. And Rabbi Yehuda comes to say: He may not fill a vessel designated for measuring, even if he does not stipulate a particular measure.

אַלְמָא גַּבֵּי שִׂמְחַת יוֹם טוֹב רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְחוּמְרָא וְרַבָּנַן לְקוּלָּא? וְהָא אִפְּכָא שָׁמְעִינַן לְהוּ! דִּתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: שׁוֹקֵל אָדָם בָּשָׂר כְּנֶגֶד הַכְּלִי וּכְנֶגֶד הַקּוֹפִיץ, וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֵין מַשְׁגִּיחִין בְּכַף מֹאזְנַיִם כׇּל עִיקָּר. אַלְמָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְקוּלָּא וְרַבָּנַן לְחוּמְרָא. קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה, קַשְׁיָא דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן!

The Gemara asks: Apparently, with regard to the joy of the Festival, Rabbi Yehuda is stringent, and the Rabbis are lenient. But didn’t we hear them state the opposite, as we learned in an earlier mishna (28a) that Rabbi Yehuda says: A person may weigh meat against a vessel or against a cleaver, and the Rabbis prohibit this and say: One may not look at the pans of a balance scale at all? Apparently, Rabbi Yehuda is lenient, while the Rabbis are stringent. Therefore, there is a contradiction between one statement of Rabbi Yehuda and the other statement of Rabbi Yehuda, and there is also a contradiction between one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis.

דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם בְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ מְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה, הָכָא מְיוּחָד לְמִדָּה. דְּרַבָּנַן אַדְּרַבָּנַן נָמֵי לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָתָם קָא עָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, הָכָא לָא קָעָבֵיד כִּדְעָבְדִין בְּחוֹל, דְּעָבְדִי אִינָשֵׁי דִּמְקָרְבִי חַמְרָא בְּמָנָא דְכִילָא וְשָׁתוּ.

The Gemara answers: With regard to the contradiction between one teaching of Rabbi Yehuda and the other teaching of Rabbi Yehuda, this is not difficult. There, with regard to weighing meat against a vessel, he is dealing with a vessel that is not designated for measuring, and therefore he is lenient, whereas here, he is referring to a vessel that is designated for measuring, with regard to which he is stringent. With regard to the contradiction between one statement of the Rabbis and the other statement of the Rabbis, this is also not difficult. There, he is acting in a weekday manner, and consequently they prohibit the weighing, whereas here, he is not acting in a weekday manner, as people are accustomed to offer their friends wine in a measuring utensil and drink. Since the use of such a vessel is not exclusive to commercial transactions, the Rabbis permitted it here as well.

מַעֲשֶׂה בְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל בֶּן בָּטְנִית. תָּנָא: אַף בַּמּוֹעֵד עוֹשֶׂה כֵּן מִפְּנֵי בִּטּוּל בֵּית הַמִּדְרָשׁ.

§ The mishna recounted an incident involving Abba Shaul ben Botnit, a Sage who was also a grocer, who would fill his measures on the eve of a Festival and give them to his customers on the Festival. A tanna taught in a baraita: He would do this even on the intermediate days of a Festival, in order to prevent dereliction of Torah study in the study hall. Since he wanted to spend most of his day in the study hall and not have to interrupt his study to carry out measurements, he would measure for his customers at night, when it was not a time of study.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: הוּא כָּנַס שְׁלֹשׁ מֵאוֹת גַּרְבֵי יַיִן מִבֵּרוּרֵי הַמִּדּוֹת, וַחֲבֵרָיו כָּנְסוּ שְׁלֹשׁ מֵאוֹת גַּרְבֵי שֶׁמֶן מִמִּצּוּי הַמִּדּוֹת, וֶהֱבִיאוּם לִפְנֵי הַגִּזְבָּרִים לִירוּשָׁלַיִם.

The Sages taught in a baraita: Abba Shaul ben Botnit collected three hundred earthenware jugs of wine, to which he thought he was not entitled due to the clarity of the measures, as he thought that he had unfairly profited from the foam at the top of the liquid he measured. And his colleagues, similarly God-fearing grocers, collected three hundred earthenware jugs of oil, which they thought were not rightly theirs due to the draining of the measures; they were concerned that because they had measured for their customers using their own vessels, they might not have drained the entire measure from their containers into the customers’ vessels. And they brought these jugs of wine and oil to Jerusalem before the Temple treasurers, as they did not want to benefit from possibly stolen goods.

אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: אִי אַתֶּם זְקוּקִים לְכָךְ. אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: אַף אָנוּ אֵין רְצוֹנֵנוּ בְּכָךְ.

The treasurers said to them: You need not do this, as all buyers take into account the foam and what is left in the sellers’ vessels and pay with this in mind. They said to them: Just like the buyers give up their claim to it, we too do not wish to benefit from this, even if strictly speaking it is not considered stolen property.

אָמְרוּ לָהֶם: הוֹאִיל וְהֶחְמַרְתֶּם עַל עַצְמְכֶם — עֲשׂוּ מֵהֶם צׇרְכֵי רַבִּים. דְּתַנְיָא: גָּזַל וְאֵינוֹ יוֹדֵעַ מִמִּי גָּזַל — יַעֲשֶׂה בָּהֶם צׇרְכֵי רַבִּים. מַאי נִינְהוּ? אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: בּוֹרוֹת, שִׁיחִין וּמְעָרוֹת.

The treasurers said to them: Since you are so stringent with yourselves, use the wine and oil for communal needs. As it is taught in a baraita: If one stole and does not know from whom he stole, he should use the stolen items for communal needs, thereby repaying all of the Jewish people. The Gemara asks: What are communal needs? Rav Ḥisda said: He should finance the digging of cisterns, ditches, and caves, for storing water for travelers.

אַדְבְּרֵיהּ רַב חִסְדָּא לְרַבָּנָא עוּקְבָא, וּדְרַשׁ: לֹא יִמְדּוֹד אָדָם שְׂעוֹרִים וְיִתֵּן לִפְנֵי בְּהֶמְתּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב, אֲבָל קוֹדֵר הוּא קַב אוֹ קַבִּים וְנוֹתֵן לִפְנֵי בְּהֶמְתּוֹ, וְאֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ. וְהַנַּחְתּוֹם מוֹדֵד תַּבְלִין וְנוֹתֵן לְתוֹךְ קְדֵרָתוֹ, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יַקְדִּיחַ תַּבְשִׁילוֹ.

§ Rav Ḥisda authorized Rabbana Ukva to give a public lecture, and he taught the following: A person may not measure barley and place it before his animal on a Festival, but he may cut out [koder] a hole in the pile of grain by means of a vessel of one kav or two kav, and place the barley before his animal, and he need not be concerned about the measuring this entails, as he does not transgress the prohibition against using a measuring utensil if he is not particular about measuring precisely. And a baker may measure spices and put them in his pot, so as not to spoil his dish, since if he puts in too much he will ruin the food.

אָמַר רַב יִרְמְיָה בַּר אַבָּא אָמַר רַב: מוֹדֶדֶת אִשָּׁה קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב וְנוֹתֶנֶת לְתוֹךְ עִיסָּתָהּ כְּדֵי שֶׁתִּטּוֹל חַלָּה בְּעַיִן יָפָה. וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אָסוּר. וְהָא תָּנָא דְּבֵי שְׁמוּאֵל, מוּתָּר!

Rav Yirmeya bar Abba said that Rav said: A woman may measure flour on a Festival and put it into her dough in order to separate ḥalla generously, because if she knows the exact amount of dough she can separate the proper amount of ḥalla. And Shmuel said: It is prohibited, as she can estimate the amount that must be set aside as ḥalla. The Gemara asks: But didn’t a Sage of the school of Shmuel teach a baraita stating that this is permitted?

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הַשְׁתָּא דְּאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל אָסוּר, וְתָנָא דְּבֵי שְׁמוּאֵל מוּתָּר,

Abaye said: Now that it is known that Shmuel said it is prohibited and a Sage of the school of Shmuel taught a baraita that it is permitted,

שְׁמוּאֵל — הֲלָכָה לְמַעֲשֶׂה אֲתָא לְאַשְׁמוֹעִינַן.

it is reasonable to conclude that Shmuel came to teach us the practical halakha. Knowing that a baraita permits the practice, Shmuel found it necessary to state that the halakha is otherwise.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: אֵין שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב. מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי פַּפְּיָיס וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה בֶּן בְּתִירָא אָמְרוּ: שׁוֹנִין. וְשָׁוִין שֶׁאִם נָפַל לְתוֹכָן צְרוֹר אוֹ קֵיסָם, שֶׁשּׁוֹנִין.

§ The Sages taught in a baraita: One may not sift flour a second time on a Festival, as this involves unnecessary extra effort. They said in the name of Rabbi Papeyyas and Rabbi Yehuda ben Beteira: One may sift flour a second time. However, they all agree that if a pebble or a wood chip fell into the flour after it had been sifted the previous day, one may sift it a second time in order to remove the items.

תָּנֵי תַּנָּא קַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבִינָא: אֵין שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב, אֲבָל נָפַל צְרוֹר אוֹ קֵיסָם — בּוֹרֵר בְּיָדוֹ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן דְּאָסוּר, דְּהָוֵה לֵיהּ כְּבוֹרֵר.

A tanna taught the following baraita before Ravina: One may not sift flour a second time on a Festival, but if a pebble or a wood chip fell into the flour after the first sifting, he may remove it with his hand. Ravina said to him: All the more so is the latter procedure prohibited, as it is similar to the prohibited labor of selecting. It is therefore preferable to sift the flour with a sieve, and the unwanted items will thereby be removed.

דָּרֵשׁ רָבָא בַּר רַב הוּנָא זוּטֵי אַפִּתְחָא דִנְהַרְדְּעָא: שׁוֹנִין קֶמַח בְּיוֹם טוֹב. אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב נַחְמָן: פּוּקוּ וֶאֱמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְאַבָּא: שְׁקִילָא טֵיבוּתָךְ וְשַׁדְיָ[א] אַחִזְרֵי, פּוֹק חֲזִי כַּמָּה מַהוֹלָתָא הַדְרָן בִּנְהַרְדְּעָא.

Rava bar Rav Huna the Short taught at the entrance to Neharde’a: One may sift flour a second time on a Festival. Rav Naḥman said to the students standing before him: Go out and say to Abba, i.e., to Rava bar Rav Huna, as Rava is a shortened form of Rav Abba: Your good has been removed and cast upon thorns, meaning that your teachings are not needed. Go out and see how many sieves circulate in Neharde’a, as all the women already know that this is permitted.

דְּבֵיתְהוּ דְּרַב יוֹסֵף נָהֲלָא קִמְחָא אַגַּבָּא דְּמַהוֹלְתָּא. אֲמַר לַהּ: חֲזַי, דַּאֲנָא רִפְתָּא מְעַלַּיְתָא בָּעֵינָא. דְּבֵיתְהוּ דְּרַב אָשֵׁי נָהֲלָא קִמְחָא אַגַּבָּא דְּפָתוּרָא. אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: הָא דִּידַן, בְּרַתֵּיה דְּרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא, וְרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא מָרָא דְעוֹבָדָא הֲוָה, וְאִי לָאו דַּחֲזַאי מִבֵּי נָשָׁא לָא הֲוָה עָבְדָא.

The Gemara relates that Rav Yosef’s wife was once sifting flour in an unusual manner on the reverse side of a sieve. He said to her: Look, I want good-quality bread, hinting that she need not invert the sieve but may sift the flour in her regular fashion. The Gemara likewise relates that Rav Ashi’s wife was once sifting flour onto a table, rather than into a bowl in the usual manner. Rav Ashi said: This one of ours, my wife, is the daughter of Rami bar Ḥama, and Rami bar Ḥama is a master of good deeds who is meticulous in his performance of mitzvot. Had my wife not observed this practice in her father’s house, she would not have acted in this manner. Therefore, one can learn the halakha in practice from her actions.

מַתְנִי׳ הוֹלֵךְ אָדָם אֵצֶל חֶנְוָנִי הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי בֵּיצִים וֶאֱגוֹזִים בְּמִנְיָן, שֶׁכֵּן דֶּרֶךְ בַּעַל הַבַּיִת לִהְיוֹת מוֹנֶה בְּתוֹךְ בֵּיתוֹ.

MISHNA: A person may go on a Festival to a grocer from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me eggs and nuts of such-and-such a number, as it is the manner of a homeowner to count this way in his own house. Counting eggs or nuts is not considered a commercial activity, as people regularly mention the number of eggs and nuts that they need.

גְּמָ׳ תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: הוֹלֵךְ אָדָם אֵצֶל רוֹעֶה הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי גְּדִי אֶחָד אוֹ טָלֶה אֶחָד. אֵצֶל טַבָּח הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי כַּף אַחַת אוֹ יָרֵךְ אַחַת. אֵצֶל פַּטָּם הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי תּוֹר אֶחָד אוֹ גּוֹזָל אֶחָד. אֵצֶל נַחְתּוֹם הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי כִּכָּר אֶחָד אוֹ גְּלוּסְקָא אַחַת.

GEMARA: The Sages taught in the Tosefta: A person may go on a Festival to a shepherd with whom he is accustomed to deal and say to him: Give me one kid, or one lamb. Similarly, one may go on a Festival to a butcher from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one foreleg of an animal, or one thigh. Likewise, one may approach one who deals in fattened fowl from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one dove or one pigeon. He may also visit a baker from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me one loaf or one cake [geluska].

וְאֵצֶל חֶנְוָנִי הָרָגִיל אֶצְלוֹ וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ: תֵּן לִי עֶשְׂרִים בֵּיצִים, אוֹ חֲמִשִּׁים אֱגוֹזִים, עֲשָׂרָה אֲפַרְסְקִין, וַחֲמִשָּׁה רִמּוֹנִים וְאֶתְרוֹג אֶחָד. וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יַזְכִּיר לוֹ סְכוּם מִדָּה. רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יַזְכִּיר לוֹ סְכוּם מִקָּח.

And one may go on a Festival to a grocer from whom he is accustomed to buy and say to him: Give me twenty eggs, or fifty nuts, or ten peaches, or five pomegranates, or one etrog, provided that he does not mention any measure. In other words, he must not specify a unit of measurement, e.g., a kav; rather, he must state a number, which is not the usual manner of making a purchase. Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar says: This is permitted, provided that he does not mention the amount of the purchase, meaning that he must not mention the sum of money that he is spending, but rather he must take what he needs and after the Festival they will calculate how much he owes.

הֲדַרַן עֲלָךְ אֵין צָדִין

הַמֵּבִיא כַּדֵּי יַיִן מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם — לֹא יְבִיאֵם בְּסַל וּבְקוּפָּה, אֲבָל מֵבִיא הוּא עַל כְּתֵפוֹ אוֹ לְפָנָיו. וְכֵן הַמּוֹלִיךְ אֶת הַתֶּבֶן — לֹא יַפְשִׁיל אֶת הַקּוּפָּה לַאֲחוֹרָיו, אֲבָל מְבִיאָהּ הוּא בְּיָדוֹ. וּמַתְחִילִין

MISHNA: One who brings wine jugs from one place to another place may not bring a large number of them in a basket or in a tub in the usual weekday manner on a Festival, as this is disrespectful of the Festival; but he may bring one or two barrels on his shoulder or carry them in front of himself. Similarly, one who brings straw for kindling or for feeding animals may not place the tub behind him while carrying it, as this is the usual weekday manner; but he may transport it in front of him in his hand, in an unusual fashion. And one may begin taking straw for kindling

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