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Summary
Rabbi Zeira says in the name of Shmuel that if one heats a knife and uses it for slaughtering, the animal is not considered a treifa. Although the heat could potentially damage the animal, the sharp edge of the blade severs the windpipe and gullet before the heat from the sides of the blade can cause a burn.
A question is raised regarding a person who strikes another with a hot knife, resulting in a leprous mark: is this classified as a boil (shechin) or a burn (michve)? The Gemara explores the practical halakhic implications of this distinction. Two sources are brought to resolve the matter – the first being the aforementioned statement of Rabbi Zeira – but the Gemara distinguishes between the cases and reaches no definitive conclusion.
The Gemara then transitions to a discussion regarding benefit from knives used for idol worship, detailing when they are forbidden or permitted. It further addresses the status of meat slaughtered with a knife previously used for non-kosher slaughter, as well as the process for kashering a knife used on a treifa.
Rav Yehuda in the name of Rav notes that a slaughterer should maintain three distinct knives: one dedicated solely to slaughtering, one for cutting meat, and one for removing cheilev (forbidden fats).
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Chullin 8
אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לִיבֵּן סַכִּין וְשָׁחַט בָּהּ – שְׁחִיטָתוֹ כְּשֵׁרָה, חִידּוּדָהּ קוֹדֵם לְלִיבּוּנָהּ. וְהָאִיכָּא צְדָדִין? בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה מִירְוָוח רָוַוח.
§ Rabbi Zeira says that Shmuel says: If one heated a knife until it became white hot [libben] and slaughtered an animal with it, his slaughter is valid, as cutting the relevant simanim with the knife’s sharp blade preceded the effect of its white heat. Had the effect of the heat preceded the cutting, the animal would have been rendered a tereifa, an animal with a wound that will cause it to die within twelve months, before the slaughter was completed, by searing the windpipe and the gullet. The Gemara asks: But aren’t there the sides of the knife, which burn the throat and render the animal a tereifa? The Gemara answers: The area of the slaughter in the throat parts immediately after the incision, and the tissue on either side of the incision is not seared by the white-hot blade.
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: לִיבֵּן שַׁפּוּד וְהִכָּה בּוֹ, מִשּׁוּם שְׁחִין נִדּוֹן אוֹ מִשּׁוּם מִכְוָה נִדּוֹן?
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one heated a skewer [shappud] until it became white hot and struck a person with it, and after the wound healed a leprous mark developed, is that mark adjudged as a leprous boil or is it adjudged as a leprous burn?
לְמַאי נָפְקָא מִינַּהּ – לְכִדְתַנְיָא: שְׁחִין וּמִכְוָה מְטַמְּאִין בְּשָׁבוּעַ אֶחָד, בִּשְׁנֵי סִימָנִין – בְּשֵׂעָר לָבָן וּבְפִסְיוֹן, וְלָמָּה חִלְּקָן הַכָּתוּב? לוֹמַר שֶׁאֵין מִצְטָרְפִין זֶה עִם זֶה.
What is the practical difference whether it is adjudged a boil or a burn? The difference is for that which is taught in a baraita: Both a leprous boil and a leprous burn become impure during one week of quarantine with two symptoms: With white hair that grows in the leprous mark and with spreading of the leprous mark. And why did the verse divide them into two separate passages even though their halakhic status is the same? The verse divided them to say that they do not join together to constitute the requisite measure of impure leprous marks. Rather, there is impurity only if the boil or the burn constitutes that measure individually.
וְתַנְיָא: אֵיזֶהוּ שְׁחִין וְאֵיזֶהוּ מִכְוָה? לָקָה בְּעֵץ, בְּאֶבֶן, בְּגֶפֶת, בְּחַמֵּי טְבֶרְיָא, וּבְכׇל דָּבָר שֶׁלֹּא בָּא מֵחֲמַת הָאוּר, לְאֵתוֹיֵי אֲבָר מֵעִיקָּרוֹ – זֶהוּ שְׁחִין. וְאֵיזֶהוּ מִכְוָה? נִכְוָה בְּגַחֶלֶת, בְּרֶמֶץ, בְּסִיד רוֹתֵחַ, בְּגִפְסִיס רוֹתֵחַ, וּבְכׇל דָּבָר הַבָּא מֵחֲמַת הָאוּר, לְאֵתוֹיֵי חַמֵּי הָאוּר – זוֹ הִיא מִכְוָה.
And it is taught in a baraita: Which wound is a boil and which is a burn? If one was struck with wood, with a stone, with pomace, with the hot springs of Tiberias, or with any item that is not heated by fire, a phrase that serves to include lead that was mined from its source in the ground, which is occasionally hot enough to burn a person, this impression left on the skin is a boil. And which wound is a burn? If one was burned with a coal, with hot ashes, with boiling limestone, with boiling gypsum [begippesit], or with any item that is heated by fire, a phrase that serves to include water heated by fire, this impression left on the skin is a burn.
וְתַנְיָא: שְׁחִין וּמִכְוָה, אִם שְׁחִין קוֹדֵם לַמִּכְוָה – בִּטֵּל מִכְוָה אֶת הַשְּׁחִין, וְאִם מִכְוָה קוֹדֶמֶת לַשְּׁחִין – בִּטֵּל שְׁחִין אֶת הַמִּכְוָה.
And it is taught in a baraita: If there is a boil and a burn on the same place on the skin and a leprous mark developed, the later wound determines the nature of the leprosy. Therefore, if the boil preceded the burn, the burn nullifies the boil and the mark is a leprous burn. And if the burn preceded the boil, the boil nullifies the burn and the mark is a leprous boil.
וְהָכָא, הֵיכִי דָּמֵי? כְּגוֹן דַּהֲוָה בֵּיהּ חֲצִי גְּרִיס שְׁחִין מֵעִיקָּרָא, וְלִיבֵּן שַׁפּוּד וְהִכָּה בּוֹ, וּנְפַק בֵּיהּ חֲצִי גְּרִיס אַחֵר.
And here, where the dilemma was raised whether the mark that develops from being struck with a hot skewer is a boil or a burn, what are the circumstances? It is a case where initially there was a boil half the size of a split bean on the person’s skin, and one heated a skewer until it became white hot and struck him with it, and another mark half the size of a split bean emerged on the skin there.
מַאי חַבְטָא? קָדֵים וְאָתֵי הַבְלָא וּמְבַטֵּל לֵיהּ לְחַבְטָא, וְהָוֵה לֵיהּ שְׁחִין וּמִכְוָה, וְלָא מִצְטָרְפִין; אוֹ דִלְמָא הַבְלָא קָדֵים, וְאָתֵי חַבְטָא וּמְבַטֵּל לֵיהּ לְהַבְלָא, וְהָוֵה לֵיהּ שְׁחִין וּשְׁחִין, וּמִצְטָרֵף?
The Gemara clarifies the dilemma: What is the halakha? Does the effect of the blow come first and then the effect of the heat comes and nullifies the effect of the blow, and it is a half-measure boil and a half-measure burn and they do not join together to constitute a full measure? Or perhaps the effect of the heat comes first and then the effect of the blow comes and nullifies the effect of the heat, and it is a half-measure boil and a half-measure boil and they join together.
תָּא שְׁמַע, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לִיבֵּן סַכִּין וְשָׁחַט בָּהּ – שְׁחִיטָתוֹ כְּשֵׁירָה, חִידּוּדָהּ קוֹדֵם לְלִיבּוּנָהּ. אַלְמָא חַבְטָא קָדֵים! חִדּוּד שָׁאנֵי.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a resolution to the dilemma from that which Rabbi Zeira says that Shmuel says: If one heated a knife until it became white hot and slaughtered an animal with it, his slaughter is valid, as cutting the relevant simanim with the knife’s sharp blade preceded the effect of its white heat. Apparently, the effect of the blow comes first. The Gemara rejects that proof: Cutting with a sharp blade is different from striking with a blunt object, and only in the case of a blade does the cut precede the effect of the heat.
תָּא שְׁמַע: לִיבֵּן שַׁפּוּד וְהִכָּה בּוֹ – נִדּוֹן מִשּׁוּם מִכְוַת אֵשׁ, אַלְמָא חַבְטָא קָדֵים! הָתָם נָמֵי, דְּבַרְזֵייהּ מִיבְרָז, דְּהַיְינוּ חִדּוּד.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a resolution to the dilemma from a baraita: If one heated a skewer until it became white hot and struck a person with it and after the wound healed a leprous mark developed, that mark is adjudged as a leprous burn caused by fire. Apparently, the effect of the blow precedes the effect of the burn. The Gemara rejects that proof: There too, the reference is to a case where he stabbed the skin with the skewer, which is the same as cutting with a sharp blade.
אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: סַכִּין שֶׁל עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה מוּתָּר לִשְׁחוֹט בָּהּ, וְאָסוּר לַחְתּוֹךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר. מוּתָּר לִשְׁחוֹט בָּהּ – מְקַלְקֵל הוּא, וְאָסוּר לַחְתּוֹךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר – מְתַקֵּן הוּא.
§ Rav Naḥman says that Rabba bar Avuh says: With regard to a knife used for idol worship, it is permitted to slaughter an animal with it, but it is prohibited to cut meat with it. It is permitted to slaughter an animal with it because slaughtering it is a destructive action vis-à-vis the animal, which is worth more when it is alive. But it is prohibited to cut meat with it, because once the animal is slaughtered, cutting it is a constructive action that renders the meat manageable.
אָמַר רָבָא: פְּעָמִים שֶׁהַשּׁוֹחֵט אָסוּר – בִּמְסוּכֶּנֶת, וּמְחַתֵּךְ מוּתָּר – בְּאַטְמֵי דְּקָיְימָן לְקוּרְבָּנָא.
Rava said: There are times when it is prohibited for one who slaughters an animal to use a knife used for idol worship, e.g., in the case of an animal that is in danger, meaning that it is about to die. If he does not slaughter the animal it would become an unslaughtered carcass and depreciate in value. And there are times when it is permitted for one who cuts meat to use a knife of idol worship, e.g., in the case of an animal whose thighs are intended to be sent as a gift to a person of stature. Cutting it into pieces would render it unfit for this purpose, thereby diminishing its value.
וְתִיפּוֹק לֵיהּ מִשּׁוּם שַׁמְנוּנִית דְּאִיסּוּרָא!
The Gemara challenges: And derive that it is prohibited to use a knife used for idol worship, not because benefit from it is prohibited, but due to the residue of fat of forbidden carcasses on the knife.
בַּחֲדָשָׁה.
The Gemara rejects that possibility: Rav Naḥman is referring to the case of a new knife on which there is no residue.
חֲדָשָׁה, בֵּין לְרַבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל בֵּין לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא, מְשַׁמְּשֵׁי עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה הֵן, וּמְשַׁמְּשֵׁי עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה אֵינָן אֲסוּרִין עַד שֶׁיֵּעָבֵדוּ! אִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא, דִּפְסַק בֵּיהּ גְּוָוזָא לַעֲבוֹדָה זָרָה, וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא, בִּישָׁנָה שֶׁלִּיבְּנָהּ בָּאוּר.
The Gemara challenges: If it is a new knife, both according to Rabbi Yishmael and according to Rabbi Akiva, who disagreed about whether an idol is forbidden from the moment that one crafts it or from the moment that one worships it, a knife is merely in the category of accessories of idol worship, and accessories of idol worship are forbidden only after they are used for idol worship. The Gemara explains: If you wish, say that the reference is to a case where he cut a branch [gevaza] for idol worship with the knife, which leaves no residue. And if you wish, say instead that Rav Naḥman is referring to the case of an old knife that he burned until it became white hot in the fire, and therefore, there is no residue on the knife.
אִתְּמַר: הַשּׁוֹחֵט בְּסַכִּין שֶׁל גּוֹיִם, רַב אָמַר: קוֹלֵף, וְרַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר: מֵדִיחַ. לֵימָא בְּהָא קָמִיפַּלְגִי, דְּמָר סָבַר: בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה צוֹנֵן, וּמָר סָבַר: בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה רוֹתֵחַ.
§ It was stated: With regard to one who slaughters an animal with the knife of gentiles, Rav says: He peels off a layer of the flesh from the place on the animal where the knife touched the flesh and the forbidden residue on the knife was absorbed. And Rabba bar bar Ḥana says: He rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh. The Gemara suggests: Let us say that they disagree about this, that one Sage, Rabba bar bar Ḥana, holds: The area of the slaughter on the throat is cold and does not absorb the forbidden residue, and therefore rinsing is sufficient. And one Sage, Rav, holds: The area of the slaughter on the throat is hot and therefore it absorbs the forbidden residue.
לָא, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה רוֹתֵחַ הוּא; מַאן דְּאָמַר קוֹלֵף – שַׁפִּיר, וּמַאן דְּאָמַר מֵדִיחַ – אַיְּידֵי דִּטְרִידִי סִימָנִין לְאַפּוֹקֵי דָּם לָא בָּלְעִי.
The Gemara rejects that suggestion: No, it is possible that everyone holds that the area of the slaughter on the throat is hot. For the one who says that he peels off a layer, it works out well, and the one who says that he rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh holds that since the two organs that must be severed in ritual slaughter [simanim], i.e., the windpipe and the gullet, are occupied with discharging blood, they do not absorb the residue.
אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה צוֹנֵן. מַאן דְּאָמַר מֵדִיחַ – שַׁפִּיר, מַאן דְּאָמַר קוֹלֵף – אַגַּב דּוּחְקָא דְסַכִּינָא בָּלַע.
There are those who say that everyone holds that the area of the slaughter on the throat is cold. For the one who says that he rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh, it works out well, and the one who says that he peels off a layer holds that although that area is cold, due to the pressure of the knife on the throat, the flesh absorbs the residue.
סַכִּין טְרֵיפָה, פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא, חַד אָמַר: בְּחַמִּין, וְחַד אָמַר: בְּצוֹנֵן, וְהִלְכְתָא: אֲפִילּוּ בְּצוֹנֵן, וְאִי אִיכָּא בְּלִיתָא דִּפְרָסָא לְמִיכְפְּרֵיהּ, לָא צְרִיךְ.
§ With regard to a knife with which an animal that is a tereifa was slaughtered, Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree. One says: One purges it in hot water to remove the absorptions from the tereifa, and one says: One rinses it in cold water, and that is sufficient. And the halakha is: One may rinse it even in cold water. And if there is a tattered piece of a curtain with which to wipe the knife, one need not rinse it.
וּלְמַאן דְּאָמַר בְּחַמִּין, מַאי טַעְמָא? מִשּׁוּם דְּקָא בָלְעָה אִיסּוּרָא? דְּהֶיתֵּירָא נָמֵי בָּלְעָה אֵבֶר מִן הַחַי! אֵימַת בָּלְעָה? לְכִי חָיְימָא. אֵימַת קָא חָיְימָא? לְכִי גָמְרָה שְׁחִיטָה, הָהִיא שַׁעְתָּא הֶיתֵּירָא הֲוָה.
And according to the one who says that one purges it in hot water, what is the reason that he must do so; is it due to the premise that the knife absorbed forbidden residue? That reasoning should not be limited to a case where he slaughtered a tereifa. A knife with which he slaughtered an animal that is permitted should also require purging, because it absorbed residue from the limb from a living animal before the slaughter was completed. The Gemara answers: When is there concern that the knife absorbed the residue? It is when the throat grows warm. When does it grow warm? It is at the point when the slaughter is complete. At that moment, it is already permitted.
אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: הַטַּבָּח צָרִיךְ שְׁלֹשָׁה סַכִּינִין, אַחַת שֶׁשּׁוֹחֵט בָּהּ, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמְּחַתֵּךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמְּחַתֵּךְ בָּהּ חֲלָבִים.
§ Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: The slaughterer requires three knives, one with which he slaughters the animal, and one with which he cuts meat, and one with which he cuts forbidden fats. One may not use the same knife for cutting the meat and the forbidden fats due to the residue on the knife after cutting the forbidden fats.
וְלִיתַקֵּן לֵיהּ חֲדָא, וְלִיחְתּוֹךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר, וַהֲדַר לִיחְתּוֹךְ בַּהּ חֲלָבִים? גְּזֵירָה שֶׁמָּא יַחְתּוֹךְ חֲלָבִים וְאַחַר כָּךְ בָּשָׂר. הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי מִיחַלַּף לֵיהּ! כֵּיוָן דְּאַצְרְכִינְהוּ תְּרֵי – אִית לֵיהּ הֶיכֵּרָא.
The Gemara suggests: And let him designate one knife for cutting both the meat and forbidden fats and cut meat with it and then cut forbidden fats with it. In this manner the forbidden residue on the knife will not affect the meat. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic decree prohibiting the use of one knife to cut meat and then forbidden fats lest he also cut forbidden fats and cut meat thereafter. The Gemara challenges: Now too, after the decree mandating separate knives there is a concern that they will be confused for him and he will use the knife that cut the forbidden fats to cut the meat. The Gemara explains: Since the Sages required him to have two knives, he has a conspicuous marker on one of the knives that will prevent confusion.
וְאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: הַטַּבָּח צָרִיךְ שְׁנֵי כֵּלִים שֶׁל מַיִם, אֶחָד שֶׁמֵּדִיחַ בּוֹ בָּשָׂר, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמֵּדִיחַ בּוֹ חֲלָבִים. וְנִיתַקֵּן לֵיהּ חֲדָא, וּנְדִיחַ בּוֹ בָּשָׂר וַהֲדַר נְדִיחַ בּוֹ חֲלָבִים? גְּזֵירָה שֶׁמָּא יָדִיחַ חֲלָבִים וְאַחַר כָּךְ בָּשָׂר. הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי מִיחַלְּפִי לֵיהּ? כֵּיוָן דְּאַצְרְכִינֵּיהּ תַּרְתֵּי אִית לֵיהּ הֶיכֵּרָא.
And Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: The slaughterer requires two vessels of water, one with which he rinses meat and one with which he rinses forbidden fats. The Gemara suggests: And let him designate one vessel and rinse meat with the water in the vessel and then rinse forbidden fats with the water in the same vessel. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic decree to prohibit doing so lest he rinse fats and rinse meat thereafter. The Gemara challenges: Now too, after the decree mandating separate vessels there is a concern that they will be confused for him and he will rinse meat in the vessel in which he rinsed fats. The Gemara answers: Since the Sages required him to have two vessels, he has a conspicuous marker on one of the vessels that will prevent confusion.
אָמַר אַמֵּימָר מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב פָּפָּא: לָא לִיסְחוֹף אִינִישׁ כַּפְלֵי עִילָּוֵי בִּישְׂרָא, דְּדָאֵיב תַּרְבָּא וּבָלַע בִּישְׂרָא.
§ Ameimar says in the name of Rav Pappa: A person should not place [lisḥof] the flanks of an animal atop other meat so that the forbidden fats that are attached to the flanks are in contact with the other meat, due to the fact that the forbidden fat liquefies and flows and the meat absorbs it.
אִי הָכִי, כִּי תְּרִיצִי נָמֵי דָּאֵיב תַּרְבָּא וּבָלַע בִּשְׂרָא? קְרָמָא מַפְסֵיק מִתַּתַּאי! אִי הָכִי
The Gemara raises an objection: If so, and that is a concern, when the flanks are placed in their typical manner [teritzi] as well, with the forbidden fat above the meat of the flanks, the forbidden fat flows and the meat of the flanks absorbs it. The Gemara explains: The membrane between the forbidden fat and the meat of the flanks interposes from below and prevents absorption of the forbidden fat. The Gemara challenges: If so,
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Chullin 8
ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΧΦΌΧΦ΅Χ: ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ ΧΦ°Χ©ΦΈΧΧΦ·Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ β Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧͺΧΦΉ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©Φ΅ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌΧΦΈΧΦΌ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌΧ ΦΈΧΦΌ. ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ Χ¦Φ°ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ? ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ¨Φ°ΧΦΈΧΧ Χ¨ΦΈΧΦ·ΧΧ.
Β§ Rabbi Zeira says that Shmuel says: If one heated a knife until it became white hot [libben] and slaughtered an animal with it, his slaughter is valid, as cutting the relevant simanim with the knifeβs sharp blade preceded the effect of its white heat. Had the effect of the heat preceded the cutting, the animal would have been rendered a tereifa, an animal with a wound that will cause it to die within twelve months, before the slaughter was completed, by searing the windpipe and the gullet. The Gemara asks: But arenβt there the sides of the knife, which burn the throat and render the animal a tereifa? The Gemara answers: The area of the slaughter in the throat parts immediately after the incision, and the tissue on either side of the incision is not seared by the white-hot blade.
ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ·ΦΌΧ’Φ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΧΧΦΌ: ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ©Φ·ΧΧ€ΦΌΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΉ, ΧΦ΄Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ Χ Φ΄ΧΦΌΧΦΉΧ ΧΧΦΉ ΧΦ΄Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ Χ Φ΄ΧΦΌΧΦΉΧ?
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one heated a skewer [shappud] until it became white hot and struck a person with it, and after the wound healed a leprous mark developed, is that mark adjudged as a leprous boil or is it adjudged as a leprous burn?
ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΧ Χ ΦΈΧ€Φ°Χ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ Φ·ΦΌΧΦΌ β ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧͺΦ·Χ Φ°ΧΦΈΧ: Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧΧΦΌΧ’Φ· ΧΦΆΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ©Φ°ΧΧ Φ΅Χ Χ‘Φ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Φ΄ΧΧ β ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©Φ΅ΧΧ’ΦΈΧ¨ ΧΦΈΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ°Χ€Φ΄Χ‘Φ°ΧΧΦΉΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦΈΦΌΧͺΧΦΌΧ? ΧΧΦΉΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΧΧ ΧΦ΄Χ¦Φ°ΧΦΈΧ¨Φ°Χ€Φ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΆΧ Χ’Φ΄Χ ΧΦΆΧ.
What is the practical difference whether it is adjudged a boil or a burn? The difference is for that which is taught in a baraita: Both a leprous boil and a leprous burn become impure during one week of quarantine with two symptoms: With white hair that grows in the leprous mark and with spreading of the leprous mark. And why did the verse divide them into two separate passages even though their halakhic status is the same? The verse divided them to say that they do not join together to constitute the requisite measure of impure leprous marks. Rather, there is impurity only if the boil or the burn constitutes that measure individually.
ΧΦ°ΧͺΦ·Χ Φ°ΧΦΈΧ: ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΆΧΧΦΌ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΆΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ? ΧΦΈΧ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ’Φ΅Χ₯, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΆΧΦΆΧ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΆΧ€ΦΆΧͺ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦΆΧ¨Φ°ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΧΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΈΧ¨ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦΉΦΌΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΦ²ΧΦ·Χͺ ΧΦΈΧΧΦΌΧ¨, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΅ΧͺΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ¨ ΧΦ΅Χ’Φ΄ΧΧ§ΦΈΦΌΧ¨ΧΦΉ β ΧΦΆΧΧΦΌ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ. ΧΦ°ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΆΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ? Χ Φ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦΆΧΦΆΧͺ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¨ΦΆΧΦΆΧ₯, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ‘Φ΄ΧΧ Χ¨ΧΦΉΧͺΦ΅ΧΦ·, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΄Χ€Φ°Χ‘Φ΄ΧΧ‘ Χ¨ΧΦΉΧͺΦ΅ΧΦ·, ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΧΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΈΧ¨ ΧΦ·ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΦ²ΧΦ·Χͺ ΧΦΈΧΧΦΌΧ¨, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΅ΧͺΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦΈΧΧΦΌΧ¨ β ΧΧΦΉ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ.
And it is taught in a baraita: Which wound is a boil and which is a burn? If one was struck with wood, with a stone, with pomace, with the hot springs of Tiberias, or with any item that is not heated by fire, a phrase that serves to include lead that was mined from its source in the ground, which is occasionally hot enough to burn a person, this impression left on the skin is a boil. And which wound is a burn? If one was burned with a coal, with hot ashes, with boiling limestone, with boiling gypsum [begippesit], or with any item that is heated by fire, a phrase that serves to include water heated by fire, this impression left on the skin is a burn.
ΧΦ°ΧͺΦ·Χ Φ°ΧΦΈΧ: Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄Χ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ β ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΆΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦΆΧΦΆΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ β ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΆΧͺ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ.
And it is taught in a baraita: If there is a boil and a burn on the same place on the skin and a leprous mark developed, the later wound determines the nature of the leprosy. Therefore, if the boil preceded the burn, the burn nullifies the boil and the mark is a leprous burn. And if the burn preceded the boil, the boil nullifies the burn and the mark is a leprous boil.
ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ΅Χ? ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΧΦΉΧ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ²Χ¦Φ΄Χ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧ‘ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ΅Χ’Φ΄ΧΧ§ΦΈΦΌΧ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ©Φ·ΧΧ€ΦΌΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΉ, ΧΦΌΧ Φ°Χ€Φ·Χ§ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ²Χ¦Φ΄Χ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧ‘ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΅Χ¨.
And here, where the dilemma was raised whether the mark that develops from being struck with a hot skewer is a boil or a burn, what are the circumstances? It is a case where initially there was a boil half the size of a split bean on the personβs skin, and one heated a skewer until it became white hot and struck him with it, and another mark half the size of a split bean emerged on the skin there.
ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ? Χ§ΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧͺΦ΅Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄Χ¦Φ°ΧΦΈΧ¨Φ°Χ€Φ΄ΧΧ; ΧΧΦΉ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ Χ§ΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧͺΦ΅Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦΌΧ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧ, ΧΦΌΧΦ΄Χ¦Φ°ΧΦΈΧ¨Φ΅Χ£?
The Gemara clarifies the dilemma: What is the halakha? Does the effect of the blow come first and then the effect of the heat comes and nullifies the effect of the blow, and it is a half-measure boil and a half-measure burn and they do not join together to constitute a full measure? Or perhaps the effect of the heat comes first and then the effect of the blow comes and nullifies the effect of the heat, and it is a half-measure boil and a half-measure boil and they join together.
ΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ·Χ’, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΧΦΌΧΦ΅Χ: ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ ΧΦ°Χ©ΦΈΧΧΦ·Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ β Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧͺΧΦΉ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©Φ΅ΧΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌΧΦΈΧΦΌ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌΧ ΦΈΧΦΌ. ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ Χ§ΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧ! ΧΦ΄ΧΦΌΧΦΌΧ Χ©ΦΈΧΧΧ Φ΅Χ.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a resolution to the dilemma from that which Rabbi Zeira says that Shmuel says: If one heated a knife until it became white hot and slaughtered an animal with it, his slaughter is valid, as cutting the relevant simanim with the knifeβs sharp blade preceded the effect of its white heat. Apparently, the effect of the blow comes first. The Gemara rejects that proof: Cutting with a sharp blade is different from striking with a blunt object, and only in the case of a blade does the cut precede the effect of the heat.
ΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ·Χ’: ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ©Φ·ΧΧ€ΦΌΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΉ β Χ Φ΄ΧΦΌΧΦΉΧ ΧΦ΄Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦ·Χͺ ΧΦ΅Χ©Χ, ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ Χ§ΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧ! ΧΦΈΧͺΦΈΧ Χ ΦΈΧΦ΅Χ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·Χ¨Φ°ΧΦ΅ΧΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ°Χ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΧ ΧΦΌ ΧΦ΄ΧΦΌΧΦΌΧ.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a resolution to the dilemma from a baraita: If one heated a skewer until it became white hot and struck a person with it and after the wound healed a leprous mark developed, that mark is adjudged as a leprous burn caused by fire. Apparently, the effect of the blow precedes the effect of the burn. The Gemara rejects that proof: There too, the reference is to a case where he stabbed the skin with the skewer, which is the same as cutting with a sharp blade.
ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·Χ Χ Φ·ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ²ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌ: Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧ Χ’Φ²ΧΧΦΉΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΧΦΌΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ΄Χ©Φ°ΧΧΧΦΉΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ‘ΧΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧͺΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨. ΧΧΦΌΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ΄Χ©Φ°ΧΧΧΦΉΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ β ΧΦ°Χ§Φ·ΧΦ°Χ§Φ΅Χ ΧΧΦΌΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ‘ΧΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧͺΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨ β ΧΦ°ΧͺΦ·Χ§Φ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΧΦΌΧ.
Β§ Rav NaαΈ₯man says that Rabba bar Avuh says: With regard to a knife used for idol worship, it is permitted to slaughter an animal with it, but it is prohibited to cut meat with it. It is permitted to slaughter an animal with it because slaughtering it is a destructive action vis-Γ -vis the animal, which is worth more when it is alive. But it is prohibited to cut meat with it, because once the animal is slaughtered, cutting it is a constructive action that renders the meat manageable.
ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨ΦΈΧΦΈΧ: Χ€Φ°ΦΌΧ’ΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ·Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦΈΧ‘ΧΦΌΧ¨ β ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ°Χ‘ΧΦΌΧΦΆΦΌΧ ΦΆΧͺ, ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ° ΧΧΦΌΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ¨ β ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ§ΦΈΧΦ°ΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°Χ§ΧΦΌΧ¨Φ°ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΦΈΧ.
Rava said: There are times when it is prohibited for one who slaughters an animal to use a knife used for idol worship, e.g., in the case of an animal that is in danger, meaning that it is about to die. If he does not slaughter the animal it would become an unslaughtered carcass and depreciate in value. And there are times when it is permitted for one who cuts meat to use a knife of idol worship, e.g., in the case of an animal whose thighs are intended to be sent as a gift to a person of stature. Cutting it into pieces would render it unfit for this purpose, thereby diminishing its value.
ΧΦ°ΧͺΦ΄ΧΧ€ΦΌΧΦΉΧ§ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ΄Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ Χ©Φ·ΧΧΦ°Χ ΧΦΌΧ Φ΄ΧΧͺ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧ‘ΦΌΧΦΌΧ¨ΦΈΧ!
The Gemara challenges: And derive that it is prohibited to use a knife used for idol worship, not because benefit from it is prohibited, but due to the residue of fat of forbidden carcasses on the knife.
ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ©ΦΈΧΧ.
The Gemara rejects that possibility: Rav NaαΈ₯man is referring to the case of a new knife on which there is no residue.
ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ©ΦΈΧΧ, ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧ ΧΦ°Χ¨Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦΈΧ’Φ΅ΧΧ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧ ΧΦ°Χ¨Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ Χ’Φ²Χ§Φ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°Χ©Φ·ΧΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©Φ΅ΧΧ Χ’Φ²ΧΧΦΉΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅Χ, ΧΦΌΧΦ°Χ©Φ·ΧΧΦ°ΦΌΧ©Φ΅ΧΧ Χ’Φ²ΧΧΦΉΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧ ΦΈΧ ΧΦ²Χ‘ΧΦΌΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧ Χ’Φ·Χ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ’ΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ! ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ’Φ΅ΧΧͺ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ€Φ°Χ‘Φ·Χ§ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ·Χ’Φ²ΧΧΦΉΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ’Φ΅ΧΧͺ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ©ΦΈΧΧ ΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧΦ°ΦΌΧ ΦΈΧΦΌ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ¨.
The Gemara challenges: If it is a new knife, both according to Rabbi Yishmael and according to Rabbi Akiva, who disagreed about whether an idol is forbidden from the moment that one crafts it or from the moment that one worships it, a knife is merely in the category of accessories of idol worship, and accessories of idol worship are forbidden only after they are used for idol worship. The Gemara explains: If you wish, say that the reference is to a case where he cut a branch [gevaza] for idol worship with the knife, which leaves no residue. And if you wish, say instead that Rav NaαΈ₯man is referring to the case of an old knife that he burned until it became white hot in the fire, and therefore, there is no residue on the knife.
ΧΦ΄ΧͺΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ·Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ΄Χ, Χ¨Φ·Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ£, ΧΦ°Χ¨Φ·ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ¨ ΧΦΈΧ ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ΅ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ·. ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧ Χ§ΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ€Φ·ΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦ΄Χ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧ¨ Χ‘ΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Χ¦ΧΦΉΧ Φ΅Χ, ΧΦΌΧΦΈΧ¨ Χ‘ΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Χ¨ΧΦΉΧͺΦ΅ΧΦ·.
Β§ It was stated: With regard to one who slaughters an animal with the knife of gentiles, Rav says: He peels off a layer of the flesh from the place on the animal where the knife touched the flesh and the forbidden residue on the knife was absorbed. And Rabba bar bar αΈ€ana says: He rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh. The Gemara suggests: Let us say that they disagree about this, that one Sage, Rabba bar bar αΈ€ana, holds: The area of the slaughter on the throat is cold and does not absorb the forbidden residue, and therefore rinsing is sufficient. And one Sage, Rav, holds: The area of the slaughter on the throat is hot and therefore it absorbs the forbidden residue.
ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ’ΦΈΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Χ¨ΧΦΉΧͺΦ΅ΧΦ· ΧΧΦΌΧ; ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ£ β Χ©Φ·ΧΧ€Φ΄ΦΌΧΧ¨, ΧΦΌΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦ΅ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· β ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΦ°Χ¨Φ΄ΧΧΦ΄Χ Χ‘Φ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Φ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·Χ€ΦΌΧΦΉΧ§Φ΅Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ°Χ’Φ΄Χ.
The Gemara rejects that suggestion: No, it is possible that everyone holds that the area of the slaughter on the throat is hot. For the one who says that he peels off a layer, it works out well, and the one who says that he rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh holds that since the two organs that must be severed in ritual slaughter [simanim], i.e., the windpipe and the gullet, are occupied with discharging blood, they do not absorb the residue.
ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ°Χ¨Φ΄Χ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ Χ’ΦΈΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧͺ ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ Χ¦ΧΦΉΧ Φ΅Χ. ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦ΅ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· β Χ©Φ·ΧΧ€Φ΄ΦΌΧΧ¨, ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ§ΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ£ β ΧΦ·ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΌΧΦ°Χ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦ°Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ·Χ’.
There are those who say that everyone holds that the area of the slaughter on the throat is cold. For the one who says that he rinses the place where the knife touched the flesh, it works out well, and the one who says that he peels off a layer holds that although that area is cold, due to the pressure of the knife on the throat, the flesh absorbs the residue.
Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ ΧΦ°Χ¨Φ΅ΧΧ€ΦΈΧ, Χ€Φ°ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦΌ Χ¨Φ·Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°Χ¨ΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ·Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ·Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨: ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¦ΧΦΉΧ Φ΅Χ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΦ°ΧΦ°ΧͺΦΈΧ: ΧΦ²Χ€Φ΄ΧΧΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¦ΧΦΉΧ Φ΅Χ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧͺΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ€Φ°Χ¨ΦΈΧ‘ΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ°Χ€Φ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ΅ΧΧΦΌ, ΧΦΈΧ Χ¦Φ°Χ¨Φ΄ΧΧΦ°.
Β§ With regard to a knife with which an animal that is a tereifa was slaughtered, Rav AαΈ₯a and Ravina disagree. One says: One purges it in hot water to remove the absorptions from the tereifa, and one says: One rinses it in cold water, and that is sufficient. And the halakha is: One may rinse it even in cold water. And if there is a tattered piece of a curtain with which to wipe the knife, one need not rinse it.
ΧΦΌΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ, ΧΦ·ΧΧ ΧΦ·Χ’Φ°ΧΦΈΧ? ΧΦ΄Χ©ΦΌΧΧΦΌΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ°Χ’ΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ‘ΦΌΧΦΌΧ¨ΦΈΧ? ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΆΧΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ Χ ΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ°Χ’ΦΈΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΦΆΧ¨ ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦ·ΧΦ·Χ! ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦ·Χͺ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ°Χ’ΦΈΧ? ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ°ΧΧΦΈΧ. ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦ·Χͺ Χ§ΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ°ΧΧΦΈΧ? ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ°Χ¨ΦΈΧ Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦ΄ΧΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ Χ©Φ·ΧΧ’Φ°ΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΆΧΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ.
And according to the one who says that one purges it in hot water, what is the reason that he must do so; is it due to the premise that the knife absorbed forbidden residue? That reasoning should not be limited to a case where he slaughtered a tereifa. A knife with which he slaughtered an animal that is permitted should also require purging, because it absorbed residue from the limb from a living animal before the slaughter was completed. The Gemara answers: When is there concern that the knife absorbed the residue? It is when the throat grows warm. When does it grow warm? It is at the point when the slaughter is complete. At that moment, it is already permitted.
ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·Χ ΧΦ°ΧΧΦΌΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·Χ: ΧΦ·ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦΈΦΌΧ Χ¦ΦΈΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧΦ° Χ©Φ°ΧΧΦΉΧ©ΦΈΧΧ Χ‘Φ·ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ Φ΄ΧΧ, ΧΦ·ΧΦ·Χͺ Χ©ΦΆΧΧ©ΦΌΧΧΦΉΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ, ΧΦ°ΧΦΆΧΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨, ΧΦ°ΧΦΆΧΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·ΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ.
Β§ Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: The slaughterer requires three knives, one with which he slaughters the animal, and one with which he cuts meat, and one with which he cuts forbidden fats. One may not use the same knife for cutting the meat and the forbidden fats due to the residue on the knife after cutting the forbidden fats.
ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧͺΦ·Χ§Φ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ°ΧͺΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨, ΧΦ·ΧΦ²ΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ°ΧͺΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ° ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦΌ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ? ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΅ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΧͺΦΌΧΦΉΧΦ° ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨. ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΧΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ Χ ΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ·ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ£ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ! ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·Χ¦Φ°Χ¨Φ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧ Φ°ΧΧΦΌ ΧͺΦ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ΅Χ β ΧΦ΄ΧΧͺ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ¨ΦΈΧ.
The Gemara suggests: And let him designate one knife for cutting both the meat and forbidden fats and cut meat with it and then cut forbidden fats with it. In this manner the forbidden residue on the knife will not affect the meat. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic decree prohibiting the use of one knife to cut meat and then forbidden fats lest he also cut forbidden fats and cut meat thereafter. The Gemara challenges: Now too, after the decree mandating separate knives there is a concern that they will be confused for him and he will use the knife that cut the forbidden fats to cut the meat. The Gemara explains: Since the Sages required him to have two knives, he has a conspicuous marker on one of the knives that will prevent confusion.
ΧΦ°ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·Χ ΧΦ°ΧΧΦΌΧΦΈΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ¨Φ·Χ: ΧΦ·ΧΦ·ΦΌΧΦΈΦΌΧ Χ¦ΦΈΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧΦ° Χ©Φ°ΧΧ Φ΅Χ ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΄Χ, ΧΦΆΧΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· ΧΦΌΧΦΉ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨, ΧΦ°ΧΦΆΧΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· ΧΦΌΧΦΉ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ. ΧΦ°Χ Φ΄ΧΧͺΦ·Χ§Φ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧ, ΧΦΌΧ Φ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· ΧΦΌΧΦΉ ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨ ΧΦ·ΧΦ²ΧΦ·Χ¨ Χ Φ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· ΧΦΌΧΦΉ ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ? ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ΅ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ Χ©ΦΆΧΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ· ΧΦ²ΧΦΈΧΦ΄ΧΧ ΧΦ°ΧΦ·ΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ° ΧΦΈΦΌΧ©ΦΈΧΧ¨. ΧΦ·Χ©Φ°ΧΧͺΦΈΦΌΧ Χ ΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΄ΧΧΦ·ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ€Φ΄Χ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ? ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦ·Χ¦Φ°Χ¨Φ°ΧΦ΄ΧΧ Φ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΌ ΧͺΦ·ΦΌΧ¨Φ°ΧͺΦ΅ΦΌΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΧͺ ΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦΆΧΧΦ΅ΦΌΧ¨ΦΈΧ.
And Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: The slaughterer requires two vessels of water, one with which he rinses meat and one with which he rinses forbidden fats. The Gemara suggests: And let him designate one vessel and rinse meat with the water in the vessel and then rinse forbidden fats with the water in the same vessel. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic decree to prohibit doing so lest he rinse fats and rinse meat thereafter. The Gemara challenges: Now too, after the decree mandating separate vessels there is a concern that they will be confused for him and he will rinse meat in the vessel in which he rinsed fats. The Gemara answers: Since the Sages required him to have two vessels, he has a conspicuous marker on one of the vessels that will prevent confusion.
ΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ¨ ΧΦ·ΧΦ΅ΦΌΧΧΦΈΧ¨ ΧΦ΄Χ©Φ°ΦΌΧΧΦ΅ΧΧΦΌ ΧΦ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ·Χ Χ€ΦΈΦΌΧ€ΦΈΦΌΧ: ΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ‘Φ°ΧΧΦΉΧ£ ΧΦ΄ΧΧ Φ΄ΧΧ©Χ ΧΦ·ΦΌΧ€Φ°ΧΦ΅Χ Χ’Φ΄ΧΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ©Φ°ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ, ΧΦ°ΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ΅ΧΧ ΧͺΦ·ΦΌΧ¨Φ°ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ’ ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧΧ©Φ°ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ.
Β§ Ameimar says in the name of Rav Pappa: A person should not place [lisαΈ₯of] the flanks of an animal atop other meat so that the forbidden fats that are attached to the flanks are in contact with the other meat, due to the fact that the forbidden fat liquefies and flows and the meat absorbs it.
ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ΄Χ, ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ ΧͺΦ°ΦΌΧ¨Φ΄ΧΧ¦Φ΄Χ Χ ΦΈΧΦ΅Χ ΧΦΈΦΌΧΦ΅ΧΧ ΧͺΦ·ΦΌΧ¨Φ°ΧΦΈΦΌΧ ΧΦΌΧΦΈΧΦ·Χ’ ΧΦ΄ΦΌΧ©Φ°ΧΧ¨ΦΈΧ? Χ§Φ°Χ¨ΦΈΧΦΈΧ ΧΦ·Χ€Φ°Χ‘Φ΅ΧΧ§ ΧΦ΄ΧͺΦ·ΦΌΧͺΦ·ΦΌΧΧ! ΧΦ΄Χ ΧΦΈΧΦ΄Χ
The Gemara raises an objection: If so, and that is a concern, when the flanks are placed in their typical manner [teritzi] as well, with the forbidden fat above the meat of the flanks, the forbidden fat flows and the meat of the flanks absorbs it. The Gemara explains: The membrane between the forbidden fat and the meat of the flanks interposes from below and prevents absorption of the forbidden fat. The Gemara challenges: If so,
