A case is brought to show that we don’t hold like Rabbi Shimon regarding his opinion that a woman who collects part of her ketuba cannot collect food payments anymore. If a woman sells her late husband’s property to collect from it her ketuba money and she does not make the sale in front of a court, does she need to swear to the orphans (there is a debate about what exactly she would need to swear)? Why didn’t they ask whether she needs to publicly announce the sale (to ensure that she gets a good price)? An unsuccessful attempt is made to try the first question. Even without having any answers, the Gemara tells us how we rule on both these issues. If the woman sold the land for more or less money than its value, what is the law? How does this law correspond to a similar case regarding a messenger? What if she sold more land than what was owed to her? A question is asked regarding a similar case regarding a messenger who sold more land than he was asked to. First, an attempt is made to get the answer from a Mishna in Meila 20a but is rejected. Then they try to derive the answer from the case in our Mishna of a woman who sold more than what she was owed.
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Ketubot 98
״בִּבְתוּלֶיהָ״ — שֶׁיְּהוּ כׇּל בְּתוּלֶיהָ קָיְימִין, בֵּין בִּכְדַרְכָּהּ בֵּין שֶׁלֹּא כְּדַרְכָּהּ.
When the verse states “in her virginity,” the intent is that her sign of virginity should be fully intact, with her not having engaged in sexual intercourse of any kind, whether in the typical manner or through atypical sexual intercourse. Therefore, this dispute is not relevant to the dispute with regard to whether part of the money can be considered akin to all of the money.
הָהִיא אִיתְּתָא דִּתְפַסָה כָּסָא דְכַסְפָּא בִּכְתוּבְּתַהּ, קָתָבְעָה מְזוֹנֵי. אֲתַאי לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא. אֲמַר לְהוּ לְיַתְמֵי: זִילוּ הַבוּ לַהּ מְזוֹנוֹת, לֵית דְּחָשׁ לְהָא דְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּאָמַר: לָא אָמְרִינַן מִקְצָת כֶּסֶף כְּכׇל כֶּסֶף.
§ The Gemara relates: There was a certain woman who seized a silver cup as partial payment of her marriage contract and who also demanded sustenance. She came before Rava for judgment. He said to the orphans: Go and give her sustenance, as there are none who are concerned about the ruling of Rabbi Shimon, who said that we do not say that part of the money has a status like the entire sum of money.
שְׁלַח לֵיהּ רַבָּה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרָבָא לְרַב יוֹסֵף: מוֹכֶרֶת שֶׁלֹּא בְּבֵית דִּין צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה, אוֹ אֵין צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה? וְתִבְּעֵי לָךְ הַכְרָזָה?!
§ Rabba, son of Rava, sent this question to Rav Yosef: Does a woman who sells her late husband’s property when not in court need to take an oath that she has not taken more than she deserves, or does she not need to take an oath? Rav Yosef replied to him: But you should have raised the dilemma if prior to the sale she needs to make a public announcement in order to properly assess the value of the property.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הַכְרָזָה לָא קָמִיבַּעְיָא לִי, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אַלְמָנָה שֶׁשָּׁמָה לְעַצְמָהּ — לֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם.
He said to him in response: I am not raising the dilemma as to whether there needs to be a public announcement, as Rabbi Zeira said that Rav Naḥman said: A widow who assessed the property for herself and took from the property according to her own calculation has accomplished nothing.
הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִי דְּאַכְרוּז — אַמַּאי לֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם? אֶלָּא לָאו, דְּלָא אַכְרוּז, וּלְעַצְמָהּ הוּא דְּלֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם, הָא לְאַחֵר — מַה שֶּׁעָשְׂתָה עָשְׂתָה.
Now what are the circumstances here? If they publicly announced that this property was for sale and arrived at an agreed upon assessment of its value, why is it that she has accomplished nothing? The same halakha that applies to any purchaser should apply to her. Rather, is it not that no public announcement was made; and doesn’t this teach that if she took it for herself, she has accomplished nothing, but if she sold it to someone else, then her action is effective, despite there not being any public announcement?
לְעוֹלָם דְּאַכְרוּז, וּדְאָמְרִי לַהּ: מַאן שָׁם לִיךְ?
The Gemara rejects this: Actually, this is a case where they made a public announcement and where they said to her: Who assessed this for you? Although the sale was conducted publicly, there was still no assessment of the property value.
כִּי הַאי דְּהָהוּא גַּבְרָא דְּאַפְקִידוּ גַּבֵּיהּ כִּיסְתָּא דְיַתְמֵי. אֲזַל, שָׁמַהּ לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ בְּאַרְבַּע מְאָה זוּזֵי. אִיַּיקַּר קָם בְּשֵׁית מְאָה.
That case is similar to this incident of a certain man with whom someone had deposited coral belonging to orphans. He went and assessed the value of the coral for himself at four hundred dinars and then took it for himself. The coral appreciated in value and its value now stood at six hundred dinars.
אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי אַמֵּי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מַאן שָׁם לָךְ?
He came before Rabbi Ammi to determine whether the profit belonged to the orphans or to him. Rabbi Ammi said to him: Who assessed this for you? Since you never had it assessed, neither the court nor the orphans sold it to you. Therefore, you never acquired the coral, and it remained in the possession of the orphans and the profit is theirs.
וְהִלְכְתָא: צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה וְאֵינָהּ צְרִיכָה הַכְרָזָה.
The Gemara concludes: And the halakha is that she is required to take an oath, but she is not required to make a public announcement.
מַתְנִי׳ אַלְמָנָה שֶׁהָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָאתַיִם, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה בְּמָאתַיִם, אוֹ שָׁוֶה מָאתַיִם בְּמָנֶה — נִתְקַבְּלָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ.
MISHNA: In the case of a widow whose marriage contract was worth two hundred dinars and she sold property that was worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, or if she sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, she has received payment of her marriage contract and can demand nothing more.
הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָנֶה, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל. אֲפִילּוּ הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת אַחְזִיר דִּינָר לַיּוֹרְשִׁין — מָכְרָה בָּטֵל.
If her marriage contract was worth one hundred dinars and she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars, the sale is void because she sold property that did not belong to her. Even if she says: I will return the additional dinar to the heirs, the sale is nevertheless void.
רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: לְעוֹלָם מִכְרָהּ קַיָּים, עַד שֶׁתְּהֵא שָׁם כְּדֵי שֶׁתְּשַׁיֵּיר בְּשָׂדֶה — בַּת תִּשְׁעָה קַבִּין, וּבְגִנָּה — בַּת חֲצִי קַב, וּכְדִבְרֵי רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא — בֵּית רוֹבַע.
Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Actually, the sale is valid. It is not considered an invalid sale until there is an error so extreme that had there been no mistake, there would have remained in the field an area required for sowing nine kav of seed, the smallest area of land worth working. In that case, the orphans can reasonably claim that they are unwilling to give up on the land that belongs to them. However, if the error is less than this, it is enough if she returns the remainder to the orphans. And in the case of a garden, the sale is void if, had there been no error, there would have remained an area required for sowing a half-kav of seed, as this is the smallest size of garden worth working. Or, according to the statement of Rabbi Akiva, an area required for sowing a quarter-kav of seed.
הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ אַרְבַּע מֵאוֹת זוּז וּמָכְרָה לָזֶה בְּמָנֶה, וְלָזֶה בְּמָנֶה, וְלָאַחֲרוֹן יָפֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — שֶׁל אַחֲרוֹן בָּטֵל, וְשֶׁל כּוּלָּן מִכְרָן קַיָּים.
If her marriage contract was worth four hundred dinars, and she sold property to this one for one hundred dinars, and she sold property to that one for one hundred dinars, and again to a third one, and she sold property to the last one worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for only one hundred dinars, the sale of the last property is void, as the price she charged was below the market value. And all of the others, their sale is valid, as they were sold for the correct price.
גְּמָ׳ מַאי שְׁנָא שָׁוֶה מָאתַיִם בְּמָנֶה — דְּאָמְרִי לַהּ: אַתְּ אַפְסֵדְתְּ, שָׁוֶה מָנֶה בְּמָאתַיִם נָמֵי, תֵּימָא: אֲנָא אַרְוַוחְנָא!
GEMARA: The Gemara questions the first halakha mentioned in the mishna, which teaches that if the widow sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, or if she sold property worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, in either case she can no longer demand any payment of her marriage contract. The Gemara asks: What is different about the case where she sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, where the halakha is that she has received her entire marriage contract, as the heirs can say to her: You caused yourself to lose out since you received from the estate the value of your entire marriage contract, but because you sold it improperly, you did not receive its full value. Why then, in the case where she sold property worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, can she not also say to the heirs: I profited from the sale, but I received only the value of one hundred dinars from the estate, and I am entitled to another one hundred dinars?
אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ:
Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said:
כָּאן שָׁנָה רַבִּי, הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת, כִּדְתַנְיָא: הוֹסִיפוּ לוֹ אַחַת יְתֵירָה, הַכֹּל לַשָּׁלִיחַ, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יְהוּדָה. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: חוֹלְקִין.
Here Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi taught, i.e., it can be learned from this mishna that it is Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi’s opinion that everything belongs to the owner of the money. If one earned a profit through the actions of his agent, the profit belongs to him and not to the agent, as it is taught in a baraita where the Sages debate this matter: In a case where one sent an agent to the marketplace to purchase merchandise at a certain price, if in addition to items that the agent purchased they added for him one extra item, the entire profit belongs to the agent; this is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Yosei says: The owner of the money and the agent split the profit.
וְהָתַנְיָא, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת! אָמַר רָמֵי בַּר חָמָא: לָא קַשְׁיָא. כָּאן בְּדָבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ קִצְבָה, כָּאן בְּדָבָר שֶׁאֵין לוֹ קִצְבָה.
The Gemara asks: But isn’t it taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yosei says: Everything belongs to the owner of the money? Rami bar Ḥama said: This is not difficult. Here the baraita is referring to an item that has a fixed price. If the seller added something, it is clear that the additional item is a gift, but it is unclear if the gift is meant for the agent or for the owner of the money, so it is split between the two. Whereas there, the baraita is referring to an item that does not have a fixed price, and one can say that any additional items that were given were not intended for the agent, but were part of the overall deal and belong to the owner of the money.
אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא, הִלְכְתָא: דָּבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ קִצְבָה — חוֹלְקִין, דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין לוֹ קִצְבָה — הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת. מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? שִׁינּוּיָא דְּשַׁנִּינַן שִׁינּוּיָא הוּא.
Rav Pappa said: The halakha is that an item that has a fixed price is split, and with regard to an item that does not have a fixed price, the entire profit belongs to the owner of the money. The Gemara asks: What is he teaching us with that statement? That is exactly what Rami bar Ḥama said. The Gemara explains: He wanted to say that the answer that we taught is the correct answer, and one can issue practical halakhic rulings based on it.
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: זַבֵּין לִי לִיתְכָּא, וַאֲזַל וְזַבֵּין לֵיהּ כּוֹרָא, מַאי? מוֹסִיף עַל דְּבָרָיו הוּא, וְלִיתְכָּא מִיהָא קָנֵי, אוֹ דִלְמָא מַעֲבִיר עַל דְּבָרָיו הוּא, וְלִיתְכָּא נָמֵי לָא קָנֵי?
§ A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one said to his agent: Sell on my behalf a half-kor, and the agent went and sold for him a kor, what is the halakha? Is he considered to be adding to the words of his employer? In that case, though he also performed an action that he was not assigned to do, part of his action was performing his assigned agency, and the buyer at least acquired a half-kor. Or perhaps he is considered to be disregarding his employer’s words, since he did not perform exactly what he was told to do, in which case the entire transaction was performed by his own volition, without the authorization of his employer, and even the half-kor is not acquired by the buyer.
אָמַר רַב יַעֲקֹב מִנְּהַר פְּקוֹד מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבִינָא: תָּא שְׁמַע, אָמַר בַּעַל הַבַּיִת לִשְׁלוּחוֹ: ״תֵּן לָהֶן חֲתִיכָה לָאוֹרְחִין״, וְהוּא אוֹמֵר: ״טְלוּ שְׁתַּיִם״, וְהֵן נָטְלוּ שָׁלֹשׁ — כּוּלָּן מָעֲלוּ.
Rav Ya’akov of Pekod River said in the name of Ravina: Come and hear proof from a mishna (Me’ila 20a): The mishna teaches with regard to the halakhot of misuse of consecrated property: If the host said to his agent: Give the guests a piece of meat, and the agent went and said to the guests: Take two pieces, and they went and took three, and in the end it was ascertained that the meat was consecrated, they are all guilty of misusing consecrated property.
אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא מוֹסִיף עַל דְּבָרָיו הָוֵי — מִשּׁוּם הָכִי בַּעַל הַבַּיִת מָעַל. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ מַעֲבִיר עַל דְּבָרָיו הָוֵי — בַּעַל הַבַּיִת אַמַּאי מָעַל? וְהָתְנַן: הַשָּׁלִיחַ שֶׁעָשָׂה שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ — בַּעַל הַבַּיִת מָעַל, לֹא עָשָׂה שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ — שָׁלִיחַ מָעַל!
Granted, if you say that the agent is adding to the words of the host, this halakha is understandable, because then, when the agent said to the guests: Take two pieces, he presented one of the pieces as the agent of the host. It is due to that reason that the host is guilty of misusing consecrated property. However, if you say that the agent is disregarding the words of the host, why is the host guilty of misusing consecrated property? Didn’t we learn in a mishna (Me’ila 20a): If an agent who performed his assigned agency caused consecrated property to be misused, it is the host who appointed him who is guilty of misusing consecrated property; however, if the agent did not perform his assigned agency, and did not act in accordance with his instructions, it is the agent who is guilty of the misuse and not the employer?
הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן, דְּאָמַר לְהוּ: ״טְלוּ אַחַת מִדַּעְתּוֹ שֶׁל בַּעַל הַבַּיִת, וְאַחַת מִדַּעְתִּי״, וּשְׁקַלוּ אִינְהוּ תְּלָת.
The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here? This is a case where the agent said explicitly to the guests: Take one piece with the consent of the host, and one piece with my consent, and they took three pieces. Since every piece of meat was taken with the consent of someone else, they are all guilty of the misuse of consecrated property.
תָּא שְׁמַע: הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָנֶה, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear an understanding of the mishna: If her marriage contract was worth one hundred dinars, and she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars, the sale is void.
מַאי לָאו דְּזַבֵּין שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה וְדִינָר, וּמַאי ״בְּמָנֶה״ — מָנֶה שֶׁלָּהּ. וּמַאי ״אֲפִילּוּ״? אֲפִילּוּ הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת ״אַחְזִיר אֶת הַדִּינָר לַיּוֹרְשִׁים בְּדִינָר מְקַרְקְעֵי״, וְקָתָנֵי: מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל.
The Gemara interprets the case of the mishna: What, is it not that she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars and a dinar, and there was no error in the sale? And what does it mean when the mishna says that she sold the property for one hundred dinars? It means that she sold it in order to receive the one hundred dinars owed to her because of her marriage contract. And what does it mean when it says in the mishna: Even if she says: I will return the one extra dinar to the heirs, nevertheless the sale is voided? It means that even if she says: I will return the dinar to the heirs by giving them a dinar’s worth from my land, the heirs will not be losing anything at all. The Gemara concludes the proof: And the mishna teaches that even so the sale is void, implying that not just what she added is void, but the entire sale is voided.
אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב נָתָן: לָא, בִּדְאוֹזֵיל.
Rav Huna, son of Rav Natan, said: No, the correct understanding of the mishna is not that she sold the land for its proper price. Rather, the mishna is referring to a situation where she reduced its price and sold the property for less than its worth, and there was an error in the sale itself.
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I heard about the syium in January 2020 & I was excited to start learning then the pandemic started. Learning Daf became something to focus on but also something stressful. As the world changed around me & my family I had to adjust my expectations for myself & the world. Daf Yomi & the Hadran podcast has been something I look forward to every day. It gives me a moment of centering & Judaism daily.
Denver, United States
I began learning the daf in January 2022. I initially “flew under the radar,” sharing my journey with my husband and a few close friends. I was apprehensive – who, me? Gemara? Now, 2 years in, I feel changed. The rigor of a daily commitment frames my days. The intellectual engagement enhances my knowledge. And the virtual community of learners has become a new family, weaving a glorious tapestry.
Far Rockaway, United States
I started learning Dec 2019 after reading “If all the Seas Were Ink”. I found
Daily daf sessions of Rabbanit Michelle in her house teaching, I then heard about the siyum and a new cycle starting wow I am in! Afternoon here in Sydney, my family and friends know this is my sacred time to hide away to live zoom and learn. Often it’s hard to absorb and relate then a gem shines touching my heart.
Dover Heights, Australia
As Jewish educator and as a woman, I’m mindful that Talmud has been kept from women for many centuries. Now that we are privileged to learn, and learning is so accessible, it’s my intent to complete Daf Yomi. I am so excited to keep learning with my Hadran community.
Denver, United States
I started last year after completing the Pesach Sugiyot class. Masechet Yoma might seem like a difficult set of topics, but for me made Yom Kippur and the Beit HaMikdash come alive. Liturgy I’d always had trouble connecting with took on new meaning as I gained a sense of real people moving through specific spaces in particular ways. It was the perfect introduction; I am so grateful for Hadran!
Minnesota, United States
I was moved to tears by the Hadran Siyyum HaShas. I have learned Torah all my life, but never connected to learning Gemara on a regular basis until then. Seeing the sheer joy Talmud Torah at the siyyum, I felt compelled to be part of it, and I haven’t missed a day!
It’s not always easy, but it is so worthwhile, and it has strengthened my love of learning. It is part of my life now.
Beit Shemesh, Israel
I started learning Daf Yomi inspired by תָּפַסְתָּ מְרוּבֶּה לֹא תָּפַסְתָּ, תָּפַסְתָּ מוּעָט תָּפַסְתָּ. I thought I’d start the first page, and then see. I was swept up into the enthusiasm of the Hadran Siyum, and from there the momentum kept building. Rabbanit Michelle’s shiur gives me an anchor, a connection to an incredible virtual community, and an energy to face whatever the day brings.
בית שמש, Israel
I started learning after the siyum hashas for women and my daily learning has been a constant over the last two years. It grounded me during the chaos of Corona while providing me with a community of fellow learners. The Daf can be challenging but it’s filled with life’s lessons, struggles and hope for a better world. It’s not about the destination but rather about the journey. Thank you Hadran!
אפרת, Israel
Raanana, Israel
I started learning at the start of this cycle, and quickly fell in love. It has become such an important part of my day, enriching every part of my life.
Toronto, Canada
I LOVE learning the Daf. I started with Shabbat. I join the morning Zoom with Reb Michelle and it totally grounds my day. When Corona hit us in Israel, I decided that I would use the Daf to keep myself sane, especially during the days when we could not venture out more than 300 m from our home. Now my husband and I have so much new material to talk about! It really is the best part of my day!
Hashmonaim, Israel
Attending the Siyyum in Jerusalem 26 months ago inspired me to become part of this community of learners. So many aspects of Jewish life have been illuminated by what we have learned in Seder Moed. My day is not complete without daf Yomi. I am so grateful to Rabbanit Michelle and the Hadran Community.
Newton, United States
I started the daf at the beginning of this cycle in January 2020. My husband, my children, grandchildren and siblings have been very supportive. As someone who learned and taught Tanach and mefarshim for many years, it has been an amazing adventure to complete the six sedarim of Mishnah, and now to study Talmud on a daily basis along with Rabbanit Michelle and the wonderful women of Hadran.
Jerusalem, Israel
I started my Daf Yomi journey at the beginning of the COVID19 pandemic.
Los Angeles, United States
It has been a pleasure keeping pace with this wonderful and scholarly group of women.
Beit Shemesh, Israel
My curiosity was peaked after seeing posts about the end of the last cycle. I am always looking for opportunities to increase my Jewish literacy & I am someone that is drawn to habit and consistency. Dinnertime includes a “Guess what I learned on the daf” segment for my husband and 18 year old twins. I also love the feelings of connection with my colleagues who are also learning.
Tampa, United States
Ive been learning Gmara since 5th grade and always loved it. Have always wanted to do Daf Yomi and now with Michelle Farber’s online classes it made it much easier to do! Really enjoying the experience thank you!!
Neve Daniel, Israel
I started learning when my brother sent me the news clip of the celebration of the last Daf Yomi cycle. I was so floored to see so many women celebrating that I wanted to be a part of it. It has been an enriching experience studying a text in a language I don’t speak, using background knowledge that I don’t have. It is stretching my learning in unexpected ways, bringing me joy and satisfaction.
Warwick, Rhode Island, United States
With Rabbanit Dr. Naomi Cohen in the Women’s Talmud class, over 30 years ago. It was a “known” class and it was accepted, because of who taught. Since then I have also studied with Avigail Gross-Gelman and Dr. Gabriel Hazut for about a year). Years ago, in a shiur in my shul, I did know about Persians doing 3 things with their clothes on. They opened the shiur to woman after that!
Haifa, Israel
After experiences over the years of asking to join gemara shiurim for men and either being refused by the maggid shiur or being the only women there, sometimes behind a mechitza, I found out about Hadran sometime during the tail end of Masechet Shabbat, I think. Life has been much better since then.
London, United Kingdom
Ketubot 98
״בִּבְתוּלֶיהָ״ — שֶׁיְּהוּ כׇּל בְּתוּלֶיהָ קָיְימִין, בֵּין בִּכְדַרְכָּהּ בֵּין שֶׁלֹּא כְּדַרְכָּהּ.
When the verse states “in her virginity,” the intent is that her sign of virginity should be fully intact, with her not having engaged in sexual intercourse of any kind, whether in the typical manner or through atypical sexual intercourse. Therefore, this dispute is not relevant to the dispute with regard to whether part of the money can be considered akin to all of the money.
הָהִיא אִיתְּתָא דִּתְפַסָה כָּסָא דְכַסְפָּא בִּכְתוּבְּתַהּ, קָתָבְעָה מְזוֹנֵי. אֲתַאי לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא. אֲמַר לְהוּ לְיַתְמֵי: זִילוּ הַבוּ לַהּ מְזוֹנוֹת, לֵית דְּחָשׁ לְהָא דְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּאָמַר: לָא אָמְרִינַן מִקְצָת כֶּסֶף כְּכׇל כֶּסֶף.
§ The Gemara relates: There was a certain woman who seized a silver cup as partial payment of her marriage contract and who also demanded sustenance. She came before Rava for judgment. He said to the orphans: Go and give her sustenance, as there are none who are concerned about the ruling of Rabbi Shimon, who said that we do not say that part of the money has a status like the entire sum of money.
שְׁלַח לֵיהּ רַבָּה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרָבָא לְרַב יוֹסֵף: מוֹכֶרֶת שֶׁלֹּא בְּבֵית דִּין צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה, אוֹ אֵין צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה? וְתִבְּעֵי לָךְ הַכְרָזָה?!
§ Rabba, son of Rava, sent this question to Rav Yosef: Does a woman who sells her late husband’s property when not in court need to take an oath that she has not taken more than she deserves, or does she not need to take an oath? Rav Yosef replied to him: But you should have raised the dilemma if prior to the sale she needs to make a public announcement in order to properly assess the value of the property.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הַכְרָזָה לָא קָמִיבַּעְיָא לִי, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אַלְמָנָה שֶׁשָּׁמָה לְעַצְמָהּ — לֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם.
He said to him in response: I am not raising the dilemma as to whether there needs to be a public announcement, as Rabbi Zeira said that Rav Naḥman said: A widow who assessed the property for herself and took from the property according to her own calculation has accomplished nothing.
הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִי דְּאַכְרוּז — אַמַּאי לֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם? אֶלָּא לָאו, דְּלָא אַכְרוּז, וּלְעַצְמָהּ הוּא דְּלֹא עָשְׂתָה וְלֹא כְּלוּם, הָא לְאַחֵר — מַה שֶּׁעָשְׂתָה עָשְׂתָה.
Now what are the circumstances here? If they publicly announced that this property was for sale and arrived at an agreed upon assessment of its value, why is it that she has accomplished nothing? The same halakha that applies to any purchaser should apply to her. Rather, is it not that no public announcement was made; and doesn’t this teach that if she took it for herself, she has accomplished nothing, but if she sold it to someone else, then her action is effective, despite there not being any public announcement?
לְעוֹלָם דְּאַכְרוּז, וּדְאָמְרִי לַהּ: מַאן שָׁם לִיךְ?
The Gemara rejects this: Actually, this is a case where they made a public announcement and where they said to her: Who assessed this for you? Although the sale was conducted publicly, there was still no assessment of the property value.
כִּי הַאי דְּהָהוּא גַּבְרָא דְּאַפְקִידוּ גַּבֵּיהּ כִּיסְתָּא דְיַתְמֵי. אֲזַל, שָׁמַהּ לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ בְּאַרְבַּע מְאָה זוּזֵי. אִיַּיקַּר קָם בְּשֵׁית מְאָה.
That case is similar to this incident of a certain man with whom someone had deposited coral belonging to orphans. He went and assessed the value of the coral for himself at four hundred dinars and then took it for himself. The coral appreciated in value and its value now stood at six hundred dinars.
אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי אַמֵּי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מַאן שָׁם לָךְ?
He came before Rabbi Ammi to determine whether the profit belonged to the orphans or to him. Rabbi Ammi said to him: Who assessed this for you? Since you never had it assessed, neither the court nor the orphans sold it to you. Therefore, you never acquired the coral, and it remained in the possession of the orphans and the profit is theirs.
וְהִלְכְתָא: צְרִיכָה שְׁבוּעָה וְאֵינָהּ צְרִיכָה הַכְרָזָה.
The Gemara concludes: And the halakha is that she is required to take an oath, but she is not required to make a public announcement.
מַתְנִי׳ אַלְמָנָה שֶׁהָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָאתַיִם, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה בְּמָאתַיִם, אוֹ שָׁוֶה מָאתַיִם בְּמָנֶה — נִתְקַבְּלָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ.
MISHNA: In the case of a widow whose marriage contract was worth two hundred dinars and she sold property that was worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, or if she sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, she has received payment of her marriage contract and can demand nothing more.
הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָנֶה, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל. אֲפִילּוּ הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת אַחְזִיר דִּינָר לַיּוֹרְשִׁין — מָכְרָה בָּטֵל.
If her marriage contract was worth one hundred dinars and she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars, the sale is void because she sold property that did not belong to her. Even if she says: I will return the additional dinar to the heirs, the sale is nevertheless void.
רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: לְעוֹלָם מִכְרָהּ קַיָּים, עַד שֶׁתְּהֵא שָׁם כְּדֵי שֶׁתְּשַׁיֵּיר בְּשָׂדֶה — בַּת תִּשְׁעָה קַבִּין, וּבְגִנָּה — בַּת חֲצִי קַב, וּכְדִבְרֵי רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא — בֵּית רוֹבַע.
Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Actually, the sale is valid. It is not considered an invalid sale until there is an error so extreme that had there been no mistake, there would have remained in the field an area required for sowing nine kav of seed, the smallest area of land worth working. In that case, the orphans can reasonably claim that they are unwilling to give up on the land that belongs to them. However, if the error is less than this, it is enough if she returns the remainder to the orphans. And in the case of a garden, the sale is void if, had there been no error, there would have remained an area required for sowing a half-kav of seed, as this is the smallest size of garden worth working. Or, according to the statement of Rabbi Akiva, an area required for sowing a quarter-kav of seed.
הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ אַרְבַּע מֵאוֹת זוּז וּמָכְרָה לָזֶה בְּמָנֶה, וְלָזֶה בְּמָנֶה, וְלָאַחֲרוֹן יָפֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — שֶׁל אַחֲרוֹן בָּטֵל, וְשֶׁל כּוּלָּן מִכְרָן קַיָּים.
If her marriage contract was worth four hundred dinars, and she sold property to this one for one hundred dinars, and she sold property to that one for one hundred dinars, and again to a third one, and she sold property to the last one worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for only one hundred dinars, the sale of the last property is void, as the price she charged was below the market value. And all of the others, their sale is valid, as they were sold for the correct price.
גְּמָ׳ מַאי שְׁנָא שָׁוֶה מָאתַיִם בְּמָנֶה — דְּאָמְרִי לַהּ: אַתְּ אַפְסֵדְתְּ, שָׁוֶה מָנֶה בְּמָאתַיִם נָמֵי, תֵּימָא: אֲנָא אַרְוַוחְנָא!
GEMARA: The Gemara questions the first halakha mentioned in the mishna, which teaches that if the widow sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, or if she sold property worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, in either case she can no longer demand any payment of her marriage contract. The Gemara asks: What is different about the case where she sold property worth two hundred dinars for one hundred dinars, where the halakha is that she has received her entire marriage contract, as the heirs can say to her: You caused yourself to lose out since you received from the estate the value of your entire marriage contract, but because you sold it improperly, you did not receive its full value. Why then, in the case where she sold property worth one hundred dinars for two hundred dinars, can she not also say to the heirs: I profited from the sale, but I received only the value of one hundred dinars from the estate, and I am entitled to another one hundred dinars?
אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ:
Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said:
כָּאן שָׁנָה רַבִּי, הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת, כִּדְתַנְיָא: הוֹסִיפוּ לוֹ אַחַת יְתֵירָה, הַכֹּל לַשָּׁלִיחַ, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יְהוּדָה. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: חוֹלְקִין.
Here Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi taught, i.e., it can be learned from this mishna that it is Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi’s opinion that everything belongs to the owner of the money. If one earned a profit through the actions of his agent, the profit belongs to him and not to the agent, as it is taught in a baraita where the Sages debate this matter: In a case where one sent an agent to the marketplace to purchase merchandise at a certain price, if in addition to items that the agent purchased they added for him one extra item, the entire profit belongs to the agent; this is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Yosei says: The owner of the money and the agent split the profit.
וְהָתַנְיָא, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת! אָמַר רָמֵי בַּר חָמָא: לָא קַשְׁיָא. כָּאן בְּדָבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ קִצְבָה, כָּאן בְּדָבָר שֶׁאֵין לוֹ קִצְבָה.
The Gemara asks: But isn’t it taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yosei says: Everything belongs to the owner of the money? Rami bar Ḥama said: This is not difficult. Here the baraita is referring to an item that has a fixed price. If the seller added something, it is clear that the additional item is a gift, but it is unclear if the gift is meant for the agent or for the owner of the money, so it is split between the two. Whereas there, the baraita is referring to an item that does not have a fixed price, and one can say that any additional items that were given were not intended for the agent, but were part of the overall deal and belong to the owner of the money.
אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא, הִלְכְתָא: דָּבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ קִצְבָה — חוֹלְקִין, דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין לוֹ קִצְבָה — הַכֹּל לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת. מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? שִׁינּוּיָא דְּשַׁנִּינַן שִׁינּוּיָא הוּא.
Rav Pappa said: The halakha is that an item that has a fixed price is split, and with regard to an item that does not have a fixed price, the entire profit belongs to the owner of the money. The Gemara asks: What is he teaching us with that statement? That is exactly what Rami bar Ḥama said. The Gemara explains: He wanted to say that the answer that we taught is the correct answer, and one can issue practical halakhic rulings based on it.
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: זַבֵּין לִי לִיתְכָּא, וַאֲזַל וְזַבֵּין לֵיהּ כּוֹרָא, מַאי? מוֹסִיף עַל דְּבָרָיו הוּא, וְלִיתְכָּא מִיהָא קָנֵי, אוֹ דִלְמָא מַעֲבִיר עַל דְּבָרָיו הוּא, וְלִיתְכָּא נָמֵי לָא קָנֵי?
§ A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one said to his agent: Sell on my behalf a half-kor, and the agent went and sold for him a kor, what is the halakha? Is he considered to be adding to the words of his employer? In that case, though he also performed an action that he was not assigned to do, part of his action was performing his assigned agency, and the buyer at least acquired a half-kor. Or perhaps he is considered to be disregarding his employer’s words, since he did not perform exactly what he was told to do, in which case the entire transaction was performed by his own volition, without the authorization of his employer, and even the half-kor is not acquired by the buyer.
אָמַר רַב יַעֲקֹב מִנְּהַר פְּקוֹד מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבִינָא: תָּא שְׁמַע, אָמַר בַּעַל הַבַּיִת לִשְׁלוּחוֹ: ״תֵּן לָהֶן חֲתִיכָה לָאוֹרְחִין״, וְהוּא אוֹמֵר: ״טְלוּ שְׁתַּיִם״, וְהֵן נָטְלוּ שָׁלֹשׁ — כּוּלָּן מָעֲלוּ.
Rav Ya’akov of Pekod River said in the name of Ravina: Come and hear proof from a mishna (Me’ila 20a): The mishna teaches with regard to the halakhot of misuse of consecrated property: If the host said to his agent: Give the guests a piece of meat, and the agent went and said to the guests: Take two pieces, and they went and took three, and in the end it was ascertained that the meat was consecrated, they are all guilty of misusing consecrated property.
אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא מוֹסִיף עַל דְּבָרָיו הָוֵי — מִשּׁוּם הָכִי בַּעַל הַבַּיִת מָעַל. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ מַעֲבִיר עַל דְּבָרָיו הָוֵי — בַּעַל הַבַּיִת אַמַּאי מָעַל? וְהָתְנַן: הַשָּׁלִיחַ שֶׁעָשָׂה שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ — בַּעַל הַבַּיִת מָעַל, לֹא עָשָׂה שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ — שָׁלִיחַ מָעַל!
Granted, if you say that the agent is adding to the words of the host, this halakha is understandable, because then, when the agent said to the guests: Take two pieces, he presented one of the pieces as the agent of the host. It is due to that reason that the host is guilty of misusing consecrated property. However, if you say that the agent is disregarding the words of the host, why is the host guilty of misusing consecrated property? Didn’t we learn in a mishna (Me’ila 20a): If an agent who performed his assigned agency caused consecrated property to be misused, it is the host who appointed him who is guilty of misusing consecrated property; however, if the agent did not perform his assigned agency, and did not act in accordance with his instructions, it is the agent who is guilty of the misuse and not the employer?
הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן, דְּאָמַר לְהוּ: ״טְלוּ אַחַת מִדַּעְתּוֹ שֶׁל בַּעַל הַבַּיִת, וְאַחַת מִדַּעְתִּי״, וּשְׁקַלוּ אִינְהוּ תְּלָת.
The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here? This is a case where the agent said explicitly to the guests: Take one piece with the consent of the host, and one piece with my consent, and they took three pieces. Since every piece of meat was taken with the consent of someone else, they are all guilty of the misuse of consecrated property.
תָּא שְׁמַע: הָיְתָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָנֶה, וּמָכְרָה שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה — מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear an understanding of the mishna: If her marriage contract was worth one hundred dinars, and she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars, the sale is void.
מַאי לָאו דְּזַבֵּין שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְדִינָר בְּמָנֶה וְדִינָר, וּמַאי ״בְּמָנֶה״ — מָנֶה שֶׁלָּהּ. וּמַאי ״אֲפִילּוּ״? אֲפִילּוּ הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת ״אַחְזִיר אֶת הַדִּינָר לַיּוֹרְשִׁים בְּדִינָר מְקַרְקְעֵי״, וְקָתָנֵי: מִכְרָהּ בָּטֵל.
The Gemara interprets the case of the mishna: What, is it not that she sold property worth one hundred dinars and a dinar for one hundred dinars and a dinar, and there was no error in the sale? And what does it mean when the mishna says that she sold the property for one hundred dinars? It means that she sold it in order to receive the one hundred dinars owed to her because of her marriage contract. And what does it mean when it says in the mishna: Even if she says: I will return the one extra dinar to the heirs, nevertheless the sale is voided? It means that even if she says: I will return the dinar to the heirs by giving them a dinar’s worth from my land, the heirs will not be losing anything at all. The Gemara concludes the proof: And the mishna teaches that even so the sale is void, implying that not just what she added is void, but the entire sale is voided.
אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב נָתָן: לָא, בִּדְאוֹזֵיל.
Rav Huna, son of Rav Natan, said: No, the correct understanding of the mishna is not that she sold the land for its proper price. Rather, the mishna is referring to a situation where she reduced its price and sold the property for less than its worth, and there was an error in the sale itself.
