Search

Nedarim 29

Want to dedicate learning? Get started here:

English
עברית
podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




Summary
Today’s daf is sponsored by Debbie Aschheim Weiss (NYC) and Racheli Weiss (Givat Shmuel) in loving memory of Sarah Yehudit Sharf A”H on her first yahrzeit. “She left the world too early. Her abounding love and commitment to Judaism and Israel left a lasting mark on many.”
The Mishna brought a case where one sanctified a sapling until it is cut. Once it is cut, it cannot be redeemed. Ulla and Bar Pada disagree about the meaning of this law. According to Bar Pada, once they are cut, one can redeem them and use them. According to Ulla, there is no need to redeem them. How could Ulla hold that the sanctity leaves them without any redeeming. Rav Hamnuna, in questioning Ulla, compares it to a married woman who needs a get to remove the sanctity of the marriage. Rava answers by distinguishing the cases as marriage is a case of inherent sanctity (k’dushat haguf) and the sapling is only sanctified for its value (k’dushat damim). Abaye questions Rava’s answer by bringing a braita to prove that even items with inherent sanctity can be removed when there is a time factor stipulated at the beginning. The Gemara answers Abaye’s difficulty but then rejects it. The braita Abaye quoted is now used to question Bar Pada’s position. Rav Papa responds on behalf of Bar Pada using a different understanding of the case in the braita. Again, they make a comparison to laws of marriage to explain this position in the braita according to the new understanding.

Today’s daily daf tools:

Nedarim 29

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב הַמְנוּנָא: קְדוּשָּׁה שֶׁבָּהֶן לְהֵיכָן הָלְכָה? וּמָה אִילּוּ אָמַר לְאִשָּׁה ״הַיּוֹם אַתְּ אִשְׁתִּי וּלְמָחָר אִי אַתְּ אִשְׁתִּי״, מִי נָפְקָא בְּלָא גֵּט?!

Rav Hamnuna said to Ulla: Where did their sanctity go? How can the consecrated saplings become non-sacred without being redeemed? And what would happen if one said to a woman while performing betrothal: Today you are my wife and tomorrow you are not my wife? Would she exit the marriage the next day without a bill of divorce? Likewise, in the mishna, once one consecrated the saplings, how is their sanctity withdrawn without redemption?

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: מִי קָא מְדַמֵּית קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים לִקְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף? קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים פָּקְעָה בִּכְדֵי, קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי.

Rava said to him: How do you compare sanctity inherent in its value to inherent sanctity? Sanctity inherent in its value departs with nothing being done, since it is conditional. When the condition is fulfilled and the saplings are cut, the sanctity is removed. However, inherent sanctity, which relates to an entity that itself is consecrated, e.g., a betrothed woman, does not depart with nothing being done. An action must be performed in order to remove it.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי? וְהָתַנְיָא: ״שׁוֹר זֶה עוֹלָה כׇּל שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם, וּלְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם שְׁלָמִים״ — כׇּל שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה, לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם שְׁלָמִים. אַמַּאי? קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף נִינְהוּ, וּפָקְעָה בִּכְדִי!

Abaye said to him: And does inherent sanctity not depart with nothing being done? But isn’t it taught in a baraita that if one said: This ox is a burnt-offering for all of thirty days and after thirty days it is a peace-offering, for all of thirty days it is a burnt-offering and after thirty days it is a peace-offering. One can ask: Why is this so? These offerings are examples of inherent sanctity, and it departs with nothing being done. After thirty days, it is transformed into a peace-offering without any action being taken.

הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן, דְּאָמַר לִדְמֵי.

The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here? It is a case where one did not consecrate the animal as a burnt-offering or peace-offering but rather he said that he was consecrating it for its monetary value, with which to purchase a burnt-offering or peace-offering. Therefore, there was no inherent sanctity.

אִי הָכִי, אֵימָא סֵיפָא: ״לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה, וּמֵעַכְשָׁיו שְׁלָמִים״. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא חֲדָא בִּקְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף, וַחֲדָא בִּקְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים —

The Gemara asks: If so, say the latter clause: If he said that after thirty days it should be a burnt-offering, and from now until thirty days it should be a peace-offering, his words are binding. Granted, if you say that one clause is referring to inherent sanctity and one clause is referring to sanctity inherent in its value,

הַיְינוּ דְּאִיצְטְרִיךְ לֵיהּ לְתַנָּא לְמִיתְנֵא תַּרְתֵּי. דְּסָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ אָמֵינָא: קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי, קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי, אַמְּטוּ לְהָכִי תְּנָא תַּרְתֵּי.

then this is the reason that it was necessary for the tanna to teach two clauses: In order to emphasize that this halakha applies in both cases, as it might enter your mind to say: Inherent sanctity does not lapse on its own, but sanctity inherent in its value departs with nothing being done. Because of this, the tanna taught two clauses, to demonstrate that there is no difference between them: Both depart with nothing being done.

אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים, לְמָה לִי לְמִיתְנֵא תַּרְתֵּי? הַשְׁתָּא יֵשׁ לוֹמַר: מִקְּדוּשָּׁה חֲמוּרָה לִקְדוּשָּׁה קַלָּה פָּקְעָה, מִקְּדוּשָּׁה קַלָּה לִקְדוּשָּׁה חֲמוּרָה צְרִיכָא לְמֵימַר?!

But if you say that this clause and that clause refer to sanctity inherent in its value, why do I need to teach two clauses? Now, it can be said that if from the stringent sanctity of the burnt-offering to the less stringent sanctity of a peace-offering, the stringent sanctity departs and the animal becomes like a peace-offering, then from the less stringent sanctity of the peace-offering to the more stringent sanctity of the burnt-offering, need this be said?

לֵימָא תֶּיהְוֵי תְּיוּבְתָּא דְּבַר פְּדָא, דְּאָמַר: לָא פָּקְעָה קְדוּשָּׁה בִּכְדִי?

The Gemara proposes: Let us say that this baraita should be a conclusive refutation of bar Padda, who said: Sanctity does not depart with nothing being done and the trees require redemption, while the baraita demonstrates that even inherent sanctity lapses on its own?

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אָמַר לָךְ בַּר פְּדָא, הָכִי קָאָמַר: אִם לֹא אָמַר ״מֵעַכְשָׁיו שְׁלָמִים״ — לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה הָוֵי.

Rav Pappa said: Bar Padda could have said to you: This is what the baraita is saying: If one says: This ox, after thirty days, is a burnt-offering, then if he does not say: From now it is a peace-offering, then after thirty days it is a burnt-offering. But when he adds: From now it is a peace-offering, the sanctity of a peace-offering takes effect upon it and does not depart with nothing being done.

מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה הָאוֹמֵר לְאִשָּׁה: ״הִתְקַדְּשִׁי לִי לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם״, דִּמְקוּדֶּשֶׁת וְאַף עַל פִּי שֶׁנִּתְעַכְּלוּ הַמָּעוֹת.

This is just as it is in the case of a man who says to a woman: Be betrothed to me after thirty days with this money that I give you, that she is betrothed after thirty days. And this is so, although the money was squandered away in the meantime and does not exist at the end of thirty days, when the betrothal takes effect. Here as well, the sanctity of a burnt-offering takes effect after thirty days.

פְּשִׁיטָא? לָא צְרִיכָא דַּהֲדַר בֵּיהּ.

The Gemara asks: If this is what happened, then it is obvious that it is so. Why, then, does this halakha need to be taught? The Gemara answers: No, it is necessary in a case where he retracted within these thirty days and did not want the animal to be consecrated at all. Although the sanctity did not actually take effect yet, he may not retract.

הָנִיחָא לְמַאן דְּאָמַר אֵינָהּ חוֹזֶרֶת. אֶלָּא לְמַאן דְּאָמַר חוֹזֶרֶת, מַאי אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר!

The Gemara asks: This works out well according to the one who said that a woman who is betrothed on the condition that the betrothal takes effect after thirty days may not retract even if she changed her mind within these thirty days, and the betrothal still takes effect after thirty days. But according to the one who says that she may retract, what can be said? Why should the halakha of consecration be any different than for betrothal?

אֲפִילּוּ לְמַאן דְּאָמַר הָתָם חוֹזֶרֶת, הָכָא שָׁאנֵי — דַּאֲמִירָתוֹ לְגָבוֹהַּ כִּמְסִירָתוֹ לְהֶדְיוֹט.

The Gemara answers: Even according to the one who says that there, in the case of betrothal, the woman may retract within thirty days, here, in the case of the burnt-offering, it is different because the legal status of one’s declaration to God is equal to that of his transfer to a common person [hedyot], where the acquisition is consummated at the time of transfer. Since God is not associated with a particular location, a verbal statement is sufficient to establish sanctity immediately. But in the case of the betrothal of a woman, it can be argued that the betrothal takes effect only at the end of thirty days.

יְתֵיב רַבִּי אָבִין וְרַב יִצְחָק בְּרַבִּי קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי יִרְמְיָה, וְקָא מְנַמְנֵם רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה, יָתְבִי וְקָאָמְרִי: לְבַר פְּדָא דְּאָמַר פְּדָאָן חוֹזְרוֹת וְקוֹדְשׁוֹת,

The Gemara relates: Rabbi Avin and Rav Yitzḥak, son of Rabbi, sat before Rabbi Yirmeya, and Rabbi Yirmeya was dozing [menamnem]. While he was dozing, they sat and said: According to bar Padda, who said that if he redeems them they become consecrated again,

Today’s daily daf tools:

Delve Deeper

Broaden your understanding of the topics on this daf with classes and podcasts from top women Talmud scholars.

For the Beyond the Daf shiurim offered in Hebrew, see here.

New to Talmud?

Check out our resources designed to help you navigate a page of Talmud – and study at the pace, level and style that fits you. 

The Hadran Women’s Tapestry

Meet the diverse women learning Gemara at Hadran and hear their stories. 

I began learning the daf in January 2022. I initially “flew under the radar,” sharing my journey with my husband and a few close friends. I was apprehensive – who, me? Gemara? Now, 2 years in, I feel changed. The rigor of a daily commitment frames my days. The intellectual engagement enhances my knowledge. And the virtual community of learners has become a new family, weaving a glorious tapestry.

Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld
Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld

Far Rockaway, United States

Years ago, I attended the local Siyum HaShas with my high school class. It was inspiring! Through that cycle and the next one, I studied masekhtot on my own and then did “daf yomi practice.” The amazing Hadran Siyum HaShas event firmed my resolve to “really do” Daf Yomi this time. It has become a family goal. We’ve supported each other through challenges, and now we’re at the Siyum of Seder Moed!

Elisheva Brauner
Elisheva Brauner

Jerusalem, Israel

In early January of 2020, I learned about Siyyum HaShas and Daf Yomi via Tablet Magazine’s brief daily podcast about the Daf. I found it compelling and fascinating. Soon I discovered Hadran; since then I have learned the Daf daily with Rabbanit Michelle Cohen Farber. The Daf has permeated my every hour, and has transformed and magnified my place within the Jewish Universe.

Lisa Berkelhammer
Lisa Berkelhammer

San Francisco, CA , United States

I started learning after the siyum hashas for women and my daily learning has been a constant over the last two years. It grounded me during the chaos of Corona while providing me with a community of fellow learners. The Daf can be challenging but it’s filled with life’s lessons, struggles and hope for a better world. It’s not about the destination but rather about the journey. Thank you Hadran!

Dena Lehrman
Dena Lehrman

אפרת, Israel

I am grateful for the structure of the Daf Yomi. When I am freer to learn to my heart’s content, I learn other passages in addition. But even in times of difficulty, I always know that I can rely on the structure and social support of Daf Yomi learners all over the world.

I am also grateful for this forum. It is very helpful to learn with a group of enthusiastic and committed women.

Janice Block-2
Janice Block

Beit Shemesh, Israel

I attended the Siyum so that I could tell my granddaughter that I had been there. Then I decided to listen on Spotify and after the siyum of Brachot, Covid and zoom began. It gave structure to my day. I learn with people from all over the world who are now my friends – yet most of us have never met. I can’t imagine life without it. Thank you Rabbanit Michelle.

Emma Rinberg
Emma Rinberg

Raanana, Israel

In my Shana bet at Migdal Oz I attended the Hadran siyum hash”as. Witnessing so many women so passionate about their Torah learning and connection to God, I knew I had to begin with the coming cycle. My wedding (June 24) was two weeks before the siyum of mesechet yoma so I went a little ahead and was able to make a speech and siyum at my kiseh kallah on my wedding day!

Sharona Guggenheim Plumb
Sharona Guggenheim Plumb

Givat Shmuel, Israel

Michelle has been an inspiration for years, but I only really started this cycle after the moving and uplifting siyum in Jerusalem. It’s been an wonderful to learn and relearn the tenets of our religion and to understand how the extraordinary efforts of a band of people to preserve Judaism after the fall of the beit hamikdash is still bearing fruits today. I’m proud to be part of the chain!

Judith Weil
Judith Weil

Raanana, Israel

I began to learn this cycle of Daf Yomi after my husband passed away 2 1/2 years ago. It seemed a good way to connect to him. Even though I don’t know whether he would have encouraged women learning Gemara, it would have opened wonderful conversations. It also gives me more depth for understanding my frum children and grandchildren. Thank you Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle Farber!!

Harriet Hartman
Harriet Hartman

Tzur Hadassah, Israel

After being so inspired by the siyum shas two years ago, I began tentatively learning daf yomi, like Rabbanut Michelle kept saying – taking one daf at a time. I’m still taking it one daf at a time, one masechet at a time, but I’m loving it and am still so inspired by Rabbanit Michelle and the Hadran community, and yes – I am proud to be finishing Seder Mo’ed.

Caroline Graham-Ofstein
Caroline Graham-Ofstein

Bet Shemesh, Israel

See video

Susan Fisher
Susan Fisher

Raanana, Israel

I began learning the daf in January 2022. I initially “flew under the radar,” sharing my journey with my husband and a few close friends. I was apprehensive – who, me? Gemara? Now, 2 years in, I feel changed. The rigor of a daily commitment frames my days. The intellectual engagement enhances my knowledge. And the virtual community of learners has become a new family, weaving a glorious tapestry.

Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld
Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld

Far Rockaway, United States

I attended the Siyum so that I could tell my granddaughter that I had been there. Then I decided to listen on Spotify and after the siyum of Brachot, Covid and zoom began. It gave structure to my day. I learn with people from all over the world who are now my friends – yet most of us have never met. I can’t imagine life without it. Thank you Rabbanit Michelle.

Emma Rinberg
Emma Rinberg

Raanana, Israel

My family recently made Aliyah, because we believe the next chapter in the story of the Jewish people is being written here, and we want to be a part of it. Daf Yomi, on the other hand, connects me BACK, to those who wrote earlier chapters thousands of years ago. So, I feel like I’m living in the middle of this epic story. I’m learning how it all began, and looking ahead to see where it goes!
Tina Lamm
Tina Lamm

Jerusalem, Israel

I learned Mishnayot more than twenty years ago and started with Gemara much later in life. Although I never managed to learn Daf Yomi consistently, I am learning since some years Gemara in depth and with much joy. Since last year I am studying at the International Halakha Scholars Program at the WIHL. I often listen to Rabbanit Farbers Gemara shiurim to understand better a specific sugyiah. I am grateful for the help and inspiration!

Shoshana Ruerup
Shoshana Ruerup

Berlin, Germany

I started my Daf Yomi journey at the beginning of the COVID19 pandemic.

Karena Perry
Karena Perry

Los Angeles, United States

I learned Talmud as a student in Yeshivat Ramaz and felt at the time that Talmud wasn’t for me. After reading Ilana Kurshan’s book I was intrigued and after watching the great siyum in Yerushalayim it ignited the spark to begin this journey. It has been a transformative life experience for me as a wife, mother, Savta and member of Klal Yisrael.
Elana Storch
Elana Storch

Phoenix, Arizona, United States

I started learning after the siyum hashas for women and my daily learning has been a constant over the last two years. It grounded me during the chaos of Corona while providing me with a community of fellow learners. The Daf can be challenging but it’s filled with life’s lessons, struggles and hope for a better world. It’s not about the destination but rather about the journey. Thank you Hadran!

Dena Lehrman
Dena Lehrman

אפרת, Israel

I started learning with rabbis. I needed to know more than the stories. My first teacher to show me “the way of the Talmud” as well as the stories was Samara Schwartz.
Michelle Farber started the new cycle 2 yrs ago and I jumped on for the ride.
I do not look back.

Jenifer Nech
Jenifer Nech

Houston, United States

I start learning Daf Yomi in January 2020. The daily learning with Rabbanit Michelle has kept me grounded in this very uncertain time. Despite everything going on – the Pandemic, my personal life, climate change, war, etc… I know I can count on Hadran’s podcast to bring a smile to my face.
Deb Engel
Deb Engel

Los Angeles, United States

Nedarim 29

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב הַמְנוּנָא: קְדוּשָּׁה שֶׁבָּהֶן לְהֵיכָן הָלְכָה? וּמָה אִילּוּ אָמַר לְאִשָּׁה ״הַיּוֹם אַתְּ אִשְׁתִּי וּלְמָחָר אִי אַתְּ אִשְׁתִּי״, מִי נָפְקָא בְּלָא גֵּט?!

Rav Hamnuna said to Ulla: Where did their sanctity go? How can the consecrated saplings become non-sacred without being redeemed? And what would happen if one said to a woman while performing betrothal: Today you are my wife and tomorrow you are not my wife? Would she exit the marriage the next day without a bill of divorce? Likewise, in the mishna, once one consecrated the saplings, how is their sanctity withdrawn without redemption?

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: מִי קָא מְדַמֵּית קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים לִקְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף? קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים פָּקְעָה בִּכְדֵי, קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי.

Rava said to him: How do you compare sanctity inherent in its value to inherent sanctity? Sanctity inherent in its value departs with nothing being done, since it is conditional. When the condition is fulfilled and the saplings are cut, the sanctity is removed. However, inherent sanctity, which relates to an entity that itself is consecrated, e.g., a betrothed woman, does not depart with nothing being done. An action must be performed in order to remove it.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי? וְהָתַנְיָא: ״שׁוֹר זֶה עוֹלָה כׇּל שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם, וּלְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם שְׁלָמִים״ — כׇּל שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה, לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם שְׁלָמִים. אַמַּאי? קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף נִינְהוּ, וּפָקְעָה בִּכְדִי!

Abaye said to him: And does inherent sanctity not depart with nothing being done? But isn’t it taught in a baraita that if one said: This ox is a burnt-offering for all of thirty days and after thirty days it is a peace-offering, for all of thirty days it is a burnt-offering and after thirty days it is a peace-offering. One can ask: Why is this so? These offerings are examples of inherent sanctity, and it departs with nothing being done. After thirty days, it is transformed into a peace-offering without any action being taken.

הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן, דְּאָמַר לִדְמֵי.

The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here? It is a case where one did not consecrate the animal as a burnt-offering or peace-offering but rather he said that he was consecrating it for its monetary value, with which to purchase a burnt-offering or peace-offering. Therefore, there was no inherent sanctity.

אִי הָכִי, אֵימָא סֵיפָא: ״לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה, וּמֵעַכְשָׁיו שְׁלָמִים״. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא חֲדָא בִּקְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף, וַחֲדָא בִּקְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים —

The Gemara asks: If so, say the latter clause: If he said that after thirty days it should be a burnt-offering, and from now until thirty days it should be a peace-offering, his words are binding. Granted, if you say that one clause is referring to inherent sanctity and one clause is referring to sanctity inherent in its value,

הַיְינוּ דְּאִיצְטְרִיךְ לֵיהּ לְתַנָּא לְמִיתְנֵא תַּרְתֵּי. דְּסָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ אָמֵינָא: קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף לָא פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי, קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים פָּקְעָה בִּכְדִי, אַמְּטוּ לְהָכִי תְּנָא תַּרְתֵּי.

then this is the reason that it was necessary for the tanna to teach two clauses: In order to emphasize that this halakha applies in both cases, as it might enter your mind to say: Inherent sanctity does not lapse on its own, but sanctity inherent in its value departs with nothing being done. Because of this, the tanna taught two clauses, to demonstrate that there is no difference between them: Both depart with nothing being done.

אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי קְדוּשַּׁת דָּמִים, לְמָה לִי לְמִיתְנֵא תַּרְתֵּי? הַשְׁתָּא יֵשׁ לוֹמַר: מִקְּדוּשָּׁה חֲמוּרָה לִקְדוּשָּׁה קַלָּה פָּקְעָה, מִקְּדוּשָּׁה קַלָּה לִקְדוּשָּׁה חֲמוּרָה צְרִיכָא לְמֵימַר?!

But if you say that this clause and that clause refer to sanctity inherent in its value, why do I need to teach two clauses? Now, it can be said that if from the stringent sanctity of the burnt-offering to the less stringent sanctity of a peace-offering, the stringent sanctity departs and the animal becomes like a peace-offering, then from the less stringent sanctity of the peace-offering to the more stringent sanctity of the burnt-offering, need this be said?

לֵימָא תֶּיהְוֵי תְּיוּבְתָּא דְּבַר פְּדָא, דְּאָמַר: לָא פָּקְעָה קְדוּשָּׁה בִּכְדִי?

The Gemara proposes: Let us say that this baraita should be a conclusive refutation of bar Padda, who said: Sanctity does not depart with nothing being done and the trees require redemption, while the baraita demonstrates that even inherent sanctity lapses on its own?

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: אָמַר לָךְ בַּר פְּדָא, הָכִי קָאָמַר: אִם לֹא אָמַר ״מֵעַכְשָׁיו שְׁלָמִים״ — לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם עוֹלָה הָוֵי.

Rav Pappa said: Bar Padda could have said to you: This is what the baraita is saying: If one says: This ox, after thirty days, is a burnt-offering, then if he does not say: From now it is a peace-offering, then after thirty days it is a burnt-offering. But when he adds: From now it is a peace-offering, the sanctity of a peace-offering takes effect upon it and does not depart with nothing being done.

מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה הָאוֹמֵר לְאִשָּׁה: ״הִתְקַדְּשִׁי לִי לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם״, דִּמְקוּדֶּשֶׁת וְאַף עַל פִּי שֶׁנִּתְעַכְּלוּ הַמָּעוֹת.

This is just as it is in the case of a man who says to a woman: Be betrothed to me after thirty days with this money that I give you, that she is betrothed after thirty days. And this is so, although the money was squandered away in the meantime and does not exist at the end of thirty days, when the betrothal takes effect. Here as well, the sanctity of a burnt-offering takes effect after thirty days.

פְּשִׁיטָא? לָא צְרִיכָא דַּהֲדַר בֵּיהּ.

The Gemara asks: If this is what happened, then it is obvious that it is so. Why, then, does this halakha need to be taught? The Gemara answers: No, it is necessary in a case where he retracted within these thirty days and did not want the animal to be consecrated at all. Although the sanctity did not actually take effect yet, he may not retract.

הָנִיחָא לְמַאן דְּאָמַר אֵינָהּ חוֹזֶרֶת. אֶלָּא לְמַאן דְּאָמַר חוֹזֶרֶת, מַאי אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר!

The Gemara asks: This works out well according to the one who said that a woman who is betrothed on the condition that the betrothal takes effect after thirty days may not retract even if she changed her mind within these thirty days, and the betrothal still takes effect after thirty days. But according to the one who says that she may retract, what can be said? Why should the halakha of consecration be any different than for betrothal?

אֲפִילּוּ לְמַאן דְּאָמַר הָתָם חוֹזֶרֶת, הָכָא שָׁאנֵי — דַּאֲמִירָתוֹ לְגָבוֹהַּ כִּמְסִירָתוֹ לְהֶדְיוֹט.

The Gemara answers: Even according to the one who says that there, in the case of betrothal, the woman may retract within thirty days, here, in the case of the burnt-offering, it is different because the legal status of one’s declaration to God is equal to that of his transfer to a common person [hedyot], where the acquisition is consummated at the time of transfer. Since God is not associated with a particular location, a verbal statement is sufficient to establish sanctity immediately. But in the case of the betrothal of a woman, it can be argued that the betrothal takes effect only at the end of thirty days.

יְתֵיב רַבִּי אָבִין וְרַב יִצְחָק בְּרַבִּי קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי יִרְמְיָה, וְקָא מְנַמְנֵם רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה, יָתְבִי וְקָאָמְרִי: לְבַר פְּדָא דְּאָמַר פְּדָאָן חוֹזְרוֹת וְקוֹדְשׁוֹת,

The Gemara relates: Rabbi Avin and Rav Yitzḥak, son of Rabbi, sat before Rabbi Yirmeya, and Rabbi Yirmeya was dozing [menamnem]. While he was dozing, they sat and said: According to bar Padda, who said that if he redeems them they become consecrated again,

Want to follow content and continue where you left off?

Create an account today to track your progress, mark what you’ve learned, and follow the shiurim that speak to you.

Clear all items from this list?

This will remove ALL the items in this section. You will lose any progress or history connected to them. This is irreversible.

Cancel
Yes, clear all

Are you sure you want to delete this item?

You will lose any progress or history connected to this item.

Cancel
Yes, delete