The gemara brings in Rabbi Elazar in the name of Bar Kapara who brings an expanded version of Rabbi Meir’s opinion (that there was an additional woodpile for the parts that didn’t burn completely the previous night). He says that it was used every day and even on Shabbat. What did Bar Kapara add that wasn’t already clear from our mishna? Does Rav Huna disagree with Bar Kapara as he seems to say that it wasn’t used on Shabbat? Raba and Rav Chisda each have different ways of understanding Rav Huna. One explains that he holds that it overrides Shabbat but not impurity and the other says the reverse. Abaye raises a question on both approaches – why should one distinguish between Shabbat and impurity? Raba explains why according to both his opinion and Rav Chisda’s. One cannot extinguish coals from the woodpile. What if it was no longer on the woodpile and removed to bring to burn the incense or light the Menora? Rava and Abaye disagree on the subject. Do you disagree when it has already been lowered from the altar or while one is still on the altar? If so, how do their opinions work with the words of Rav Nachman in the name of Raba Bar Avuha who said that if one removes coals to the ground, one is still obligated for extinguishing?
Yoma 46
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Yoma 46
אֲבָל מֵהַאי גִּיסָא וּמֵהַאי גִּיסָא אֵימָא לָא, צְרִיכָא.
but from this side or from that side of the altar, both of which are not directly in front of the Sanctuary’s entrance, I would say that no, the fire may not be taken from there. Therefore, it is necessary to write both terms in order to teach this halakha.
אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר מִשּׁוּם בַּר קַפָּרָא, אוֹמֵר הָיָה רַבִּי מֵאִיר: אֵיבְרֵי עוֹלָה שֶׁנִּתּוֹתְרוּ — עוֹשֶׂה לָהֶן מַעֲרָכָה בִּפְנֵי עַצְמָהּ וְסוֹדְרָן, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת.
Rabbi Elazar said in the name of bar Kappara: Rabbi Meir would say: With regard to limbs of a burnt-offering that remained on the altar from the previous night and which were not fully consumed, one should make a separate arrangement of wood for them and arrange them upon it to be burned. And this is done even on Shabbat.
מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? תְּנֵינָא: בְּכׇל יוֹם הָיוּ שָׁם אַרְבַּע מַעֲרָכוֹת. אָמַר רַבִּי אָבִין: לֹא נִצְרְכָה אֶלָּא לִפְסוּלִין.
What is bar Kappara teaching us when he informs us that Rabbi Meir requires a separate arrangement to be made? Surely, we already learned this in the mishna that cites Rabbi Meir as saying: On every other day, there were four arrangements of wood there, upon the altar. The Gemara answers: Rabbi Avin said: Bar Kappara’s teaching is needed only in order to teach the requirement to set up a fourth arrangement, even though it is only for limbs of disqualified offerings. As certain disqualifications apply only ab initio, if the offering is nevertheless brought upon the altar it should not then be removed. Bar Kappara teaches that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies in the event that limbs of such an offering were not fully consumed.
וְדַוְקָא שֶׁמָּשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר, אֲבָל לֹא מָשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר — לֹא.
The Gemara qualifies this: But this applies specifically when the fire has already taken hold of them and they have begun to burn. But if the fire has not yet taken hold of them, no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them.
אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי: אֶחָד כְּשֵׁירִין וְאֶחָד פְּסוּלִין, אִי מָשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר — אִין, וְאִי לָא — לָא.
There are those who say a different version of this qualification: Both with regard to the limbs of valid offerings and of disqualified offerings, if the fire has already taken hold of them and they have begun to burn, yes, a separate arrangement is made to burn them, but if the fire did not take hold of them, no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them.
וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת — תְּנֵינָא: וְהַיּוֹם חָמֵשׁ!
Bar Kappara concluded: And this is done even on Shabbat. But surely, we already learned this in the mishna that cites Rabbi Meir as saying: But on this day, on Yom Kippur, there are five. This means that the arrangement for burning any remaining limbs is made also on Yom Kippur, despite the fact that all the Shabbat prohibitions apply.
אָמַר רַב אַחָא בַּר יַעֲקֹב: אִיצְטְרִיךְ, סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ אָמֵינָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי הֵיכָא דְּחָל יוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים לִהְיוֹת אַחַר הַשַּׁבָּת, דְּחֶלְבֵי שַׁבָּת קְרֵבִין בְּיוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים, אֲבָל בְּאֶמְצַע שַׁבָּת — לָא, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.
The Gemara answers: Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: Nevertheless, bar Kappara’s teaching is necessary, for it could enter your mind to say that this applies only when Yom Kippur occurs after Shabbat, i.e., on Sunday. Perhaps only in such a case is a separate arrangement made, based on the accepted law that leftover fats of Shabbat offerings are sacrificed and burned on Yom Kippur. However, if Yom Kippur occurs in the middle of the week, then perhaps no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them. Therefore, bar Kappara teaches us that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies in all cases.
אָמַר רָבָא: מַאן הַאי דְּלָא חָיֵישׁ לְקִמְחֵיהּ? הָא ״בְּכׇל יוֹם״ תְּנַן! קַשְׁיָא.
Rava said: Who is this that does not care about his flour, i.e., he does not truly care about what he says and speaks imprecisely? Did we not learn in the mishna: On every other day. This clearly implies that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies equally to all days of the week. As such, Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov’s justification for bar Kappara’s teaching is already implied in Rabbi Meir’s words in the mishna. The Gemara comments: Indeed, it is difficult.
וּפְלִיגָא דְּרַב הוּנָא, דְּאָמַר: תְּחִילָּתוֹ דּוֹחָה, סוֹפוֹ אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה.
The Gemara comments: Both Rava and bar Kappara hold that a separate arrangement is made even on Shabbat. This disagrees with the opinion of Rav Huna, who said: The beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering, i.e., its slaughter, the sprinkling of its blood, and its burning overrides Shabbat; the end of its service, i.e., the burning of its sacrificial parts, does not override Shabbat.
גּוּפָא. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: תָּמִיד, תְּחִילָּתוֹ דּוֹחָה, סוֹפוֹ אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה.
The Gemara analyzes Rav Huna’s statement: Returning to the matter itself: Rav Huna said: The beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering overrides a halakha, whereas the end of its service does not override a halakha.
מַאי אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה? רַב חִסְדָּא אָמַר: דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַשַּׁבָּת, וְאֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַטּוּמְאָה. (וְרָבָא) אָמַר: דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַטּוּמְאָה, וְאֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַשַּׁבָּת.
Previously, the Gemara assumed that Rav Huna was discussing the possibility that the sacrifice of the daily offering overrides Shabbat. The Gemara now clarifies if this was his intention: What is meant by saying that the end of its service does not override the halakha? Rav Ḥisda said: Although the end of its service does override Shabbat, it does not override the halakha that it should not be brought in a state of ritual impurity. This is true although the beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering may, if necessary, be brought in a state of ritual impurity. And Rabba said: The end of its service overrides only the halakha that it should not be brought in a state of ritual impurity, but it does not override Shabbat.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי (לְרָבָא): לְדִידָךְ קַשְׁיָא, וּלְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא. לְדִידָךְ קַשְׁיָא: מַאי שְׁנָא טוּמְאָה, דִּכְתִיב ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״ — וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּטוּמְאָה, שַׁבָּת נָמֵי — ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת!
Abaye said to Rabba: It poses a difficulty to your opinion, and it poses a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda. It is difficult to your opinion as follows: What is different about the prohibition of bringing an offering in a state of ritual impurity that the daily offering overrides it? Because it is written with regard to the daily offering “in its season” (Numbers 28:2), to emphasize that it should be brought under all circumstances, even if that means that it will be brought in a state of ritual impurity. But, by that logic, the daily offering should also override Shabbat. Because the term “in its season” emphasizes that it should be brought under all circumstances, this means even on Shabbat.
וּלְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא: מַאי שְׁנָא שַׁבָּת, דִּכְתִיב ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״ — אֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת, טוּמְאָה נָמֵי — ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּטוּמְאָה?
And it is difficult to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda: What is different about Shabbat that the daily offering overrides it? Because it is written “in its season,” to emphasize that it should be brought under all circumstances, even on Shabbat. But by that logic, the daily offering should also override the prohibition of bringing an offering in a state of ritual impurity. Because the term “in its season” emphasizes that it should be brought under all circumstances, this means even in a state of ritual impurity.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא לְדִידִי קַשְׁיָא, וְלָא לְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא. לְדִידִי לָא קַשְׁיָא: סוֹפוֹ כִּתְחִילָּתוֹ,
Rabba said to him: It is not difficult to my opinion and it does not pose a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda. It is not difficult to my opinion, because I hold that the end of its sacrificial rite is like its beginning.
טוּמְאָה, דִּתְחִילָּתוֹ בַּר מִידְחֵא טוּמְאָה הוּא — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי דָּחֵי. שַׁבָּת, דִּתְחִילָּתוֹ לָאו בַּר מִידְחֵא שַׁבָּת הוּא — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי לָא דָּחֵי.
Therefore, with regard to overriding the prohibition to bring an offering in a state of ritual impurity, since the beginning of the sacrifice of the daily offering is fit to override the prohibition of offering it in a state of ritual impurity, so too, its end also overrides the prohibition. However, in the case of Shabbat, the beginning of a daily offering of the weekday is not fit to override Shabbat, since by definition it must be brought on its appropriate day. Therefore, its end also does not override Shabbat in the event that limbs remain from Friday’s daily offering.
לְרַב חִסְדָּא לָא קַשְׁיָא: סוֹפוֹ כִּתְחִילָּתוֹ (תְּחִילָּתוֹ) לֵית לֵיהּ. שַׁבָּת דְּהוּתְּרָה הִיא בְּצִיבּוּר — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי דָּחֵי.
And it is also not difficult to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda, because he does not hold that its end is like its beginning. Rather, he has the following reasoning: The prohibitions of Shabbat are not merely overridden in the case of a communal offering, but they are actually permitted, such that there is no need to try to avoid performing the necessary labors when sacrificing it. Therefore, its end also overrides Shabbat.
טוּמְאָה, דִּדְחוּיָה הִיא בְּצִיבּוּר, תְּחִלָּתוֹ דְּעִיקַּר כַּפָּרָה — דָּחֵי, סוֹפוֹ דְּלָאו עִיקַּר כַּפָּרָה — לָא דָּחֵי.
However, in the case of the prohibition to bring an offering in a state of ritual impurity, which is merely overridden in the case of a communal offering, it is preferable to avoid doing so. Therefore, the beginning of its sacrifice, i.e., its slaughter and the sprinkling of its blood, and its burning, which is the essential stage that provides atonement, overrides the prohibition and should be done even in a state of ritual impurity. However, its end, i.e., the burning of the sacrificial parts, which is not the essential stage that provides atonement, does not override the prohibitions.
אִיתְּמַר: הַמְכַבֶּה אֵשׁ מַחְתָּה וּמְנוֹרָה, אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר.
The Torah prohibits the fire on the altar to be extinguished: “A perpetual fire shall be kept burning on the altar, it shall not go out” (Leviticus 6:6). With regard to this prohibition, an amoraic dispute was stated: With regard to one who extinguishes the fire of the coals that are taken with the coal pan for the incense on Yom Kippur or the fire of the coals that are taken in order to light the candelabrum, Abaye said: He is liable. Rava said: He is not liable.
דְּכַבְּיַיהּ בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דְּחַיָּיב. כִּי פְּלִיגִי דְּאַחֲתַיהּ אַאַרְעָא וְכַבְּיַיהּ. אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, אֵשׁ הַמִּזְבֵּחַ הוּא, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר, כֵּיוָן דְּנַתְּקַהּ — נַתְּקַהּ.
The Gemara elaborates on the dispute: In a case where one extinguished a coal while still standing upon the top of the altar, everyone agrees that he is liable. This is because the verse explicitly is referring to extinguishing a flame “upon the altar.” When they disagree, it is in a case where he brought the coals down to ground level and extinguished a coal there. Abaye said: He is liable, since it is still considered fire of the altar. Rava said: He is not liable, because once it has been removed from the altar it is considered removed and no longer part of the altar’s fire. Therefore, the prohibition does not apply to it.
אֶלָּא הָא דְּאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: הַמּוֹרִיד גַּחֶלֶת מֵעַל גַּבֵּי הַמִּזְבֵּחַ וְכִיבָּהּ חַיָּיב, כְּמַאן? כְּאַבַּיֵּי!
The Gemara asks: But if so, with regard to this ruling that Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said: One who takes down a coal from upon the altar and extinguishes it is liable, in accordance with whose opinion is he ruling? Could he possibly be ruling in accordance with the opinion of Abaye? Certainly not. In disputes between Abaye and Rava, the halakha follows Rava.
אֲפִילּוּ תֵּימָא כְּרָבָא, הָתָם לָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ, הָכָא אִינְּתִיקָה לְמִצְוָתַהּ.
The Gemara explains: You can even say his ruling is in accordance with the opinion of Rava by making the following distinction: There, in the ruling of Rav Naḥman, the coal was not removed to fulfill its mitzva. Therefore, it is still considered to be part of the fire of the altar and the prohibition still applies. Whereas, here, in the dispute between Abaye and Rava, this is a case of coal that was removed to fulfill its mitzva. Therefore, it is associated with its mitzva and no longer considered the fire of the altar.
אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי.
There are those who say a different version of the dispute:
דְּאַחֲתַיהּ אַאַרְעָא וְכַבְּיַיהּ, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דְּפָטוּר. כִּי פְּלִיגִי, דְּכַבְּיַּיהּ בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ, אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, אֵשׁ הַמִּזְבֵּחַ הוּא, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר, כֵּיוָן דְּנַתְּקַהּ — נַתְּקַהּ.
In a case where he brought the coals down to the ground and extinguished a coal there, everyone agrees that he is not liable. When they disagree it is in a case where one extinguished a coal while still standing upon the top of the altar. Abaye said: He is liable, since it is still considered fire of the altar. Rava said: He is not liable, because once it has been removed from the altar it is considered removed and no longer part of the altar’s fire. Therefore, the prohibition does not apply to it.
אֶלָּא הָא דְּאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: הַמּוֹרִיד גַּחֶלֶת מֵעַל גַּבֵּי הַמִּזְבֵּחַ וְכִבָּהּ — חַיָּיב, כְּמַאן? לָא כְּאַבַּיֵּי וְלָא כְּרָבָא! הָתָם לָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ, הָכָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ.
The Gemara asks: But if so, with regard to this ruling that Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said: He who takes down a coal from upon the altar and extinguishes it is liable, in accordance with whose opinion is his ruling? It would appear that it is neither in accordance with the opinion of Abaye, nor in accordance with the opinion of Rava. The Gemara explains: You can even say that his ruling is in accordance with the opinion of Rava by making the following distinction: There, in the ruling of Rav Naḥman, the coal was not removed to fulfill its mitzva; it is therefore still considered to be part of the fire of the altar and the prohibition applies. Whereas, here, in the dispute between Abaye and Rava, this is a case of coal that was removed to fulfill its mitzva, and it is therefore associated with its mitzva and no longer considered the fire of the altar.
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I LOVE learning the Daf. I started with Shabbat. I join the morning Zoom with Reb Michelle and it totally grounds my day. When Corona hit us in Israel, I decided that I would use the Daf to keep myself sane, especially during the days when we could not venture out more than 300 m from our home. Now my husband and I have so much new material to talk about! It really is the best part of my day!
Hashmonaim, Israel
In January 2020 on a Shabbaton to Baltimore I heard about the new cycle of Daf Yomi after the siyum celebration in NYC stadium. I started to read “ a daily dose of Talmud “ and really enjoyed it . It led me to google “ do Orthodox women study Talmud? “ and found HADRAN! Since then I listen to the podcast every morning, participate in classes and siyum. I love to learn, this is amazing! Thank you
Atlanta, United States
Los Angeles, United States
I started learning Dec 2019 after reading “If all the Seas Were Ink”. I found
Daily daf sessions of Rabbanit Michelle in her house teaching, I then heard about the siyum and a new cycle starting wow I am in! Afternoon here in Sydney, my family and friends know this is my sacred time to hide away to live zoom and learn. Often it’s hard to absorb and relate then a gem shines touching my heart.
Dover Heights, Australia
I am a Reform rabbi and took Talmud courses in rabbinical school, but I knew there was so much more to learn. It felt inauthentic to serve as a rabbi without having read the entire Talmud, so when the opportunity arose to start Daf Yomi in 2020, I dove in! Thanks to Hadran, Daf Yomi has enriched my understanding of rabbinic Judaism and deepened my love of Jewish text & tradition. Todah rabbah!
California, United States
I began learning the daf in January 2022. I initially “flew under the radar,” sharing my journey with my husband and a few close friends. I was apprehensive – who, me? Gemara? Now, 2 years in, I feel changed. The rigor of a daily commitment frames my days. The intellectual engagement enhances my knowledge. And the virtual community of learners has become a new family, weaving a glorious tapestry.
Far Rockaway, United States
When we heard that R. Michelle was starting daf yomi, my 11-year-old suggested that I go. Little did she know that she would lose me every morning from then on. I remember standing at the Farbers’ door, almost too shy to enter. After that first class, I said that I would come the next day but couldn’t commit to more. A decade later, I still look forward to learning from R. Michelle every morning.
Ra’anana, Israel
I started learning at the beginning of the cycle after a friend persuaded me that it would be right up my alley. I was lucky enough to learn at Rabbanit Michelle’s house before it started on zoom and it was quickly part of my daily routine. I find it so important to see for myself where halachot were derived, where stories were told and to get more insight into how the Rabbis interacted.
Ra’anana, Israel
After reading the book, “ If All The Seas Were Ink “ by Ileana Kurshan I started studying Talmud. I searched and studied with several teachers until I found Michelle Farber. I have been studying with her for two years. I look forward every day to learn from her.
Virginia, United States
Jerusalem, Israel
Palo Alto, CA, United States
I started learning after the siyum hashas for women and my daily learning has been a constant over the last two years. It grounded me during the chaos of Corona while providing me with a community of fellow learners. The Daf can be challenging but it’s filled with life’s lessons, struggles and hope for a better world. It’s not about the destination but rather about the journey. Thank you Hadran!
אפרת, Israel
My curiosity was peaked after seeing posts about the end of the last cycle. I am always looking for opportunities to increase my Jewish literacy & I am someone that is drawn to habit and consistency. Dinnertime includes a “Guess what I learned on the daf” segment for my husband and 18 year old twins. I also love the feelings of connection with my colleagues who are also learning.
Tampa, United States
I started my Daf Yomi journey at the beginning of the COVID19 pandemic.
Los Angeles, United States
I started learning on January 5, 2020. When I complete the 7+ year cycle I will be 70 years old. I had been intimidated by those who said that I needed to study Talmud in a traditional way with a chevruta, but I decided the learning was more important to me than the method. Thankful for Daf Yomi for Women helping me catch up when I fall behind, and also being able to celebrate with each Siyum!
Bakersfield, United States
Yoma 46
אֲבָל מֵהַאי גִּיסָא וּמֵהַאי גִּיסָא אֵימָא לָא, צְרִיכָא.
but from this side or from that side of the altar, both of which are not directly in front of the Sanctuary’s entrance, I would say that no, the fire may not be taken from there. Therefore, it is necessary to write both terms in order to teach this halakha.
אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר מִשּׁוּם בַּר קַפָּרָא, אוֹמֵר הָיָה רַבִּי מֵאִיר: אֵיבְרֵי עוֹלָה שֶׁנִּתּוֹתְרוּ — עוֹשֶׂה לָהֶן מַעֲרָכָה בִּפְנֵי עַצְמָהּ וְסוֹדְרָן, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת.
Rabbi Elazar said in the name of bar Kappara: Rabbi Meir would say: With regard to limbs of a burnt-offering that remained on the altar from the previous night and which were not fully consumed, one should make a separate arrangement of wood for them and arrange them upon it to be burned. And this is done even on Shabbat.
מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? תְּנֵינָא: בְּכׇל יוֹם הָיוּ שָׁם אַרְבַּע מַעֲרָכוֹת. אָמַר רַבִּי אָבִין: לֹא נִצְרְכָה אֶלָּא לִפְסוּלִין.
What is bar Kappara teaching us when he informs us that Rabbi Meir requires a separate arrangement to be made? Surely, we already learned this in the mishna that cites Rabbi Meir as saying: On every other day, there were four arrangements of wood there, upon the altar. The Gemara answers: Rabbi Avin said: Bar Kappara’s teaching is needed only in order to teach the requirement to set up a fourth arrangement, even though it is only for limbs of disqualified offerings. As certain disqualifications apply only ab initio, if the offering is nevertheless brought upon the altar it should not then be removed. Bar Kappara teaches that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies in the event that limbs of such an offering were not fully consumed.
וְדַוְקָא שֶׁמָּשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר, אֲבָל לֹא מָשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר — לֹא.
The Gemara qualifies this: But this applies specifically when the fire has already taken hold of them and they have begun to burn. But if the fire has not yet taken hold of them, no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them.
אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי: אֶחָד כְּשֵׁירִין וְאֶחָד פְּסוּלִין, אִי מָשְׁלָה בָּהֶן הָאוּר — אִין, וְאִי לָא — לָא.
There are those who say a different version of this qualification: Both with regard to the limbs of valid offerings and of disqualified offerings, if the fire has already taken hold of them and they have begun to burn, yes, a separate arrangement is made to burn them, but if the fire did not take hold of them, no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them.
וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת — תְּנֵינָא: וְהַיּוֹם חָמֵשׁ!
Bar Kappara concluded: And this is done even on Shabbat. But surely, we already learned this in the mishna that cites Rabbi Meir as saying: But on this day, on Yom Kippur, there are five. This means that the arrangement for burning any remaining limbs is made also on Yom Kippur, despite the fact that all the Shabbat prohibitions apply.
אָמַר רַב אַחָא בַּר יַעֲקֹב: אִיצְטְרִיךְ, סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ אָמֵינָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי הֵיכָא דְּחָל יוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים לִהְיוֹת אַחַר הַשַּׁבָּת, דְּחֶלְבֵי שַׁבָּת קְרֵבִין בְּיוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים, אֲבָל בְּאֶמְצַע שַׁבָּת — לָא, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.
The Gemara answers: Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: Nevertheless, bar Kappara’s teaching is necessary, for it could enter your mind to say that this applies only when Yom Kippur occurs after Shabbat, i.e., on Sunday. Perhaps only in such a case is a separate arrangement made, based on the accepted law that leftover fats of Shabbat offerings are sacrificed and burned on Yom Kippur. However, if Yom Kippur occurs in the middle of the week, then perhaps no, a separate arrangement is not made in order to burn them. Therefore, bar Kappara teaches us that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies in all cases.
אָמַר רָבָא: מַאן הַאי דְּלָא חָיֵישׁ לְקִמְחֵיהּ? הָא ״בְּכׇל יוֹם״ תְּנַן! קַשְׁיָא.
Rava said: Who is this that does not care about his flour, i.e., he does not truly care about what he says and speaks imprecisely? Did we not learn in the mishna: On every other day. This clearly implies that Rabbi Meir’s ruling applies equally to all days of the week. As such, Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov’s justification for bar Kappara’s teaching is already implied in Rabbi Meir’s words in the mishna. The Gemara comments: Indeed, it is difficult.
וּפְלִיגָא דְּרַב הוּנָא, דְּאָמַר: תְּחִילָּתוֹ דּוֹחָה, סוֹפוֹ אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה.
The Gemara comments: Both Rava and bar Kappara hold that a separate arrangement is made even on Shabbat. This disagrees with the opinion of Rav Huna, who said: The beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering, i.e., its slaughter, the sprinkling of its blood, and its burning overrides Shabbat; the end of its service, i.e., the burning of its sacrificial parts, does not override Shabbat.
גּוּפָא. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: תָּמִיד, תְּחִילָּתוֹ דּוֹחָה, סוֹפוֹ אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה.
The Gemara analyzes Rav Huna’s statement: Returning to the matter itself: Rav Huna said: The beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering overrides a halakha, whereas the end of its service does not override a halakha.
מַאי אֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה? רַב חִסְדָּא אָמַר: דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַשַּׁבָּת, וְאֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַטּוּמְאָה. (וְרָבָא) אָמַר: דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַטּוּמְאָה, וְאֵינוֹ דּוֹחֶה אֶת הַשַּׁבָּת.
Previously, the Gemara assumed that Rav Huna was discussing the possibility that the sacrifice of the daily offering overrides Shabbat. The Gemara now clarifies if this was his intention: What is meant by saying that the end of its service does not override the halakha? Rav Ḥisda said: Although the end of its service does override Shabbat, it does not override the halakha that it should not be brought in a state of ritual impurity. This is true although the beginning of the sacrificial service of the daily offering may, if necessary, be brought in a state of ritual impurity. And Rabba said: The end of its service overrides only the halakha that it should not be brought in a state of ritual impurity, but it does not override Shabbat.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי (לְרָבָא): לְדִידָךְ קַשְׁיָא, וּלְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא. לְדִידָךְ קַשְׁיָא: מַאי שְׁנָא טוּמְאָה, דִּכְתִיב ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״ — וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּטוּמְאָה, שַׁבָּת נָמֵי — ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת!
Abaye said to Rabba: It poses a difficulty to your opinion, and it poses a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda. It is difficult to your opinion as follows: What is different about the prohibition of bringing an offering in a state of ritual impurity that the daily offering overrides it? Because it is written with regard to the daily offering “in its season” (Numbers 28:2), to emphasize that it should be brought under all circumstances, even if that means that it will be brought in a state of ritual impurity. But, by that logic, the daily offering should also override Shabbat. Because the term “in its season” emphasizes that it should be brought under all circumstances, this means even on Shabbat.
וּלְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא: מַאי שְׁנָא שַׁבָּת, דִּכְתִיב ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״ — אֲפִילּוּ בְּשַׁבָּת, טוּמְאָה נָמֵי — ״בְּמוֹעֲדוֹ״, וַאֲפִילּוּ בְּטוּמְאָה?
And it is difficult to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda: What is different about Shabbat that the daily offering overrides it? Because it is written “in its season,” to emphasize that it should be brought under all circumstances, even on Shabbat. But by that logic, the daily offering should also override the prohibition of bringing an offering in a state of ritual impurity. Because the term “in its season” emphasizes that it should be brought under all circumstances, this means even in a state of ritual impurity.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא לְדִידִי קַשְׁיָא, וְלָא לְרַב חִסְדָּא קַשְׁיָא. לְדִידִי לָא קַשְׁיָא: סוֹפוֹ כִּתְחִילָּתוֹ,
Rabba said to him: It is not difficult to my opinion and it does not pose a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda. It is not difficult to my opinion, because I hold that the end of its sacrificial rite is like its beginning.
טוּמְאָה, דִּתְחִילָּתוֹ בַּר מִידְחֵא טוּמְאָה הוּא — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי דָּחֵי. שַׁבָּת, דִּתְחִילָּתוֹ לָאו בַּר מִידְחֵא שַׁבָּת הוּא — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי לָא דָּחֵי.
Therefore, with regard to overriding the prohibition to bring an offering in a state of ritual impurity, since the beginning of the sacrifice of the daily offering is fit to override the prohibition of offering it in a state of ritual impurity, so too, its end also overrides the prohibition. However, in the case of Shabbat, the beginning of a daily offering of the weekday is not fit to override Shabbat, since by definition it must be brought on its appropriate day. Therefore, its end also does not override Shabbat in the event that limbs remain from Friday’s daily offering.
לְרַב חִסְדָּא לָא קַשְׁיָא: סוֹפוֹ כִּתְחִילָּתוֹ (תְּחִילָּתוֹ) לֵית לֵיהּ. שַׁבָּת דְּהוּתְּרָה הִיא בְּצִיבּוּר — סוֹפוֹ נָמֵי דָּחֵי.
And it is also not difficult to the opinion of Rav Ḥisda, because he does not hold that its end is like its beginning. Rather, he has the following reasoning: The prohibitions of Shabbat are not merely overridden in the case of a communal offering, but they are actually permitted, such that there is no need to try to avoid performing the necessary labors when sacrificing it. Therefore, its end also overrides Shabbat.
טוּמְאָה, דִּדְחוּיָה הִיא בְּצִיבּוּר, תְּחִלָּתוֹ דְּעִיקַּר כַּפָּרָה — דָּחֵי, סוֹפוֹ דְּלָאו עִיקַּר כַּפָּרָה — לָא דָּחֵי.
However, in the case of the prohibition to bring an offering in a state of ritual impurity, which is merely overridden in the case of a communal offering, it is preferable to avoid doing so. Therefore, the beginning of its sacrifice, i.e., its slaughter and the sprinkling of its blood, and its burning, which is the essential stage that provides atonement, overrides the prohibition and should be done even in a state of ritual impurity. However, its end, i.e., the burning of the sacrificial parts, which is not the essential stage that provides atonement, does not override the prohibitions.
אִיתְּמַר: הַמְכַבֶּה אֵשׁ מַחְתָּה וּמְנוֹרָה, אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר.
The Torah prohibits the fire on the altar to be extinguished: “A perpetual fire shall be kept burning on the altar, it shall not go out” (Leviticus 6:6). With regard to this prohibition, an amoraic dispute was stated: With regard to one who extinguishes the fire of the coals that are taken with the coal pan for the incense on Yom Kippur or the fire of the coals that are taken in order to light the candelabrum, Abaye said: He is liable. Rava said: He is not liable.
דְּכַבְּיַיהּ בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דְּחַיָּיב. כִּי פְּלִיגִי דְּאַחֲתַיהּ אַאַרְעָא וְכַבְּיַיהּ. אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, אֵשׁ הַמִּזְבֵּחַ הוּא, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר, כֵּיוָן דְּנַתְּקַהּ — נַתְּקַהּ.
The Gemara elaborates on the dispute: In a case where one extinguished a coal while still standing upon the top of the altar, everyone agrees that he is liable. This is because the verse explicitly is referring to extinguishing a flame “upon the altar.” When they disagree, it is in a case where he brought the coals down to ground level and extinguished a coal there. Abaye said: He is liable, since it is still considered fire of the altar. Rava said: He is not liable, because once it has been removed from the altar it is considered removed and no longer part of the altar’s fire. Therefore, the prohibition does not apply to it.
אֶלָּא הָא דְּאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: הַמּוֹרִיד גַּחֶלֶת מֵעַל גַּבֵּי הַמִּזְבֵּחַ וְכִיבָּהּ חַיָּיב, כְּמַאן? כְּאַבַּיֵּי!
The Gemara asks: But if so, with regard to this ruling that Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said: One who takes down a coal from upon the altar and extinguishes it is liable, in accordance with whose opinion is he ruling? Could he possibly be ruling in accordance with the opinion of Abaye? Certainly not. In disputes between Abaye and Rava, the halakha follows Rava.
אֲפִילּוּ תֵּימָא כְּרָבָא, הָתָם לָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ, הָכָא אִינְּתִיקָה לְמִצְוָתַהּ.
The Gemara explains: You can even say his ruling is in accordance with the opinion of Rava by making the following distinction: There, in the ruling of Rav Naḥman, the coal was not removed to fulfill its mitzva. Therefore, it is still considered to be part of the fire of the altar and the prohibition still applies. Whereas, here, in the dispute between Abaye and Rava, this is a case of coal that was removed to fulfill its mitzva. Therefore, it is associated with its mitzva and no longer considered the fire of the altar.
אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי.
There are those who say a different version of the dispute:
דְּאַחֲתַיהּ אַאַרְעָא וְכַבְּיַיהּ, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דְּפָטוּר. כִּי פְּלִיגִי, דְּכַבְּיַּיהּ בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ, אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: חַיָּיב, אֵשׁ הַמִּזְבֵּחַ הוּא, רָבָא אָמַר: פָּטוּר, כֵּיוָן דְּנַתְּקַהּ — נַתְּקַהּ.
In a case where he brought the coals down to the ground and extinguished a coal there, everyone agrees that he is not liable. When they disagree it is in a case where one extinguished a coal while still standing upon the top of the altar. Abaye said: He is liable, since it is still considered fire of the altar. Rava said: He is not liable, because once it has been removed from the altar it is considered removed and no longer part of the altar’s fire. Therefore, the prohibition does not apply to it.
אֶלָּא הָא דְּאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: הַמּוֹרִיד גַּחֶלֶת מֵעַל גַּבֵּי הַמִּזְבֵּחַ וְכִבָּהּ — חַיָּיב, כְּמַאן? לָא כְּאַבַּיֵּי וְלָא כְּרָבָא! הָתָם לָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ, הָכָא אִינְּתִיק לְמִצְוָתַהּ.
The Gemara asks: But if so, with regard to this ruling that Rav Naḥman said that Rabba bar Avuh said: He who takes down a coal from upon the altar and extinguishes it is liable, in accordance with whose opinion is his ruling? It would appear that it is neither in accordance with the opinion of Abaye, nor in accordance with the opinion of Rava. The Gemara explains: You can even say that his ruling is in accordance with the opinion of Rava by making the following distinction: There, in the ruling of Rav Naḥman, the coal was not removed to fulfill its mitzva; it is therefore still considered to be part of the fire of the altar and the prohibition applies. Whereas, here, in the dispute between Abaye and Rava, this is a case of coal that was removed to fulfill its mitzva, and it is therefore associated with its mitzva and no longer considered the fire of the altar.
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