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Chullin 3
חרב הרי הוא כחלל אב הטומאה הוא לטמייה לסכין ואזל סכין וטמיתיה לבשר
It is derived from the juxtaposition of “slain” to “sword” that the halakhic status of a sword or any other metal vessel that comes into contact with a corpse is like that of a corpse itself. Similarly, if a metal utensil comes in contact with a person impure with impurity imparted by a corpse, it assumes his status. Therefore, since the impure person is a primary source of ritual impurity, let him render the knife impure, rendering it as well a primary source of impurity, and the knife then goes and renders the flesh impure.
אלא דאיטמי בשרץ ואי בעית אימא לעולם דאיטמי במת וכגון שבדק קרומית של קנה ושחט בה דתניא בכל שוחטים בין בצור בין בזכוכית בין בקרומית של קנה
Rather, it is a case where the person became impure with impurity imparted by a creeping animal; as he assumes first-degree ritual impurity status and does not render vessels impure, the knife remains ritually pure. And if you wish, say instead that actually he became impure with impurity imparted by a corpse, and it is a case where one examined the stalk of a reed, which is a flat wooden vessel that does not become ritually impure, to ensure that it is perfectly smooth with no nicks, and slaughtered with it, as it is taught in a baraita: One may slaughter an animal with any sharp object, whether with a flint, or with glass shards, or with the stalk of a reed.
אביי אמר הכי קתני הכל שוחטין ואפילו כותי במה דברים אמורים כשישראל עומד על גביו אבל יוצא ונכנס לא ישחוט
§ Abaye said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Samaritan. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where a Jew is standing over him and ensuring that he slaughters properly; but if the Jew merely exits and enters and does not have a constant presence, the Samaritan may not slaughter the animal.
ואם שחט חותך כזית בשר ונותן לו אכלו מותר לאכול משחיטתו לא אכלו אסור לאכול משחיטתו
And if the Samaritan slaughtered the animal without supervision, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. Since Samaritans are meticulous with regard to the meat that they eat and eat meat only from an animal that was slaughtered properly, the Jew may partake of the meat. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, there is concern that the animal was not slaughtered properly, and it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
חוץ מחרש שוטה וקטן דאפילו דיעבד נמי לא שמא ישהו שמא ידרסו ושמא יחלידו
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, who, even if they slaughtered only non-sacred animals, their slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter.
וכולן ששחטו אהייא אילימא אחרש שוטה וקטן עלה קאי ואם שחטו מבעי ליה
The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is it referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
אלא אכותי הא אמרת כשישראל עומד על גביו שחיט אפילו לכתחלה קשיא
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Samaritan who slaughters. The Gemara rejects that possibility. But didn’t you say in that case: When a Jew is standing over him, a Samaritan may slaughter even ab initio? The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
אמר רבא ויוצא ונכנס לכתחלה לא והתנן המניח עובד כוכבים בחנותו וישראל יוצא ונכנס מותר התם מי קתני מניח המניח קתני דיעבד
Rava said: And in a case where a Jew exits and enters, is it not permitted for the Samaritan to slaughter the animal ab initio? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Avoda Zara 69a): In the case of one who leaves a gentile in his store in which there is wine, and a Jew exits and enters, the wine is permitted? Just as there, the sporadic presence of the Jew is sufficient to ensure that the gentile will refrain from touching the wine, it should be sufficient in the case of a Samaritan who slaughters an animal as well. The Gemara rejects that proof. There, in the case of the store, does the tanna teach: One leaves a gentile ab initio? The tanna teaches: One who leaves, after the fact. Consequently, there is no proof from there that the Jew’s sporadic presence is sufficient to permit slaughter by a Samaritan ab initio.
אלא מהכא אין השומר צריך להיות יושב ומשמר אלא אע”פ שיוצא ונכנס מותר
Rather, proof can be cited from the mishna here (Avoda Zara 61a): In a case where barrels of wine belonging to a Jew are in the possession of a gentile, and a Jew was tasked with supervising those barrels, the supervisor need not be continuously sitting and supervising to ensure that the gentile does not touch the wine; rather, even if the supervisor exits and enters, the wine is permitted. This mishna clearly indicates that exiting and entering is sufficient even ab initio.
אלא אמר רבא הכי קתני הכל שוחטין ואפי’ כותי בד”א כשישראל יוצא ונכנס אבל בא ומצאו ששחט חותך כזית בשר ונותן לו אכלו מותר לאכול משחיטתו לא אכלו אסור לאכול משחיטתו
Rather, Rava said in resolution of the apparent contradiction similar to the resolution proposed by Abaye, that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Samaritan. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where a Jew exits and enters; but if the Jew does not exit and enter and instead came and found that the Samaritan slaughtered the animal, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
חוץ מחרש שוטה וקטן דאפילו דיעבד נמי לא שמא ישהו ושמא ידרסו ושמא יחלידו וכולן ששחטו אהייא אילימא אחרש שוטה וקטן עלה קאי ואם שחטו מבעי ליה
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
אלא אכותי הא אמרת אפילו יוצא ונכנס שחיט לכתחלה קשיא
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Samaritan who slaughters. The Gemara rejects that possibility. But didn’t you say that if a Jew is present, then even if he exits and enters and does not have a constant presence, a Samaritan may slaughter even ab initio? The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
רב אשי אמר הכי קתני הכל שוחטין ואפילו ישראל מומר מומר למאי לאכול נבילות לתיאבון וכדרבא דאמר רבא ישראל מומר אוכל נבילות לתיאבון
§ Rav Ashi said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Jewish transgressor [meshummad]. The Gemara asks: A transgressor of what sort? The Gemara answers: It is one whose transgression is to eat unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, i.e., for his convenience. And the ruling of the mishna is in accordance with the statement of Rava, as Rava says: In the case of a Jewish transgressor whose transgression is that he eats unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, if he seeks to slaughter an animal,
בודק סכין ונותן לו ומותר לאכול משחיטתו אבל לא בדק ונתן לו לא ישחוט ואם שחט בודק סכינו אחריו נמצאת סכינו יפה מותר לאכול משחיטתו ואם לאו אסור לאכול משחיטתו
one examines a knife to ensure that it is perfectly smooth with no nicks and gives it to the transgressor, and it is permitted to eat from what he slaughtered. But if one did not examine the knife and give it to the transgressor, the transgressor may not slaughter an animal ab initio. And if the transgressor slaughtered an animal, one examines his knife after his slaughter. If his knife is found to be perfectly smooth, it is permitted to eat meat from what he slaughtered, and if not, it is prohibited to eat from what he slaughtered.
חוץ מחרש שוטה וקטן דאפילו דיעבד נמי לא שמא ישהו שמא ידרסו ושמא יחלידו וכולן ששחטו אהייא אילימא אחרש שוטה וקטן עלה קאי ואם שחטו מיבעי ליה
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is it referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
אלא אישראל מומר אי דבדק סכין ונותן לו הא אמרת שוחט לכתחלה אלא דלא בדק אי דאיתיה לסכין ליבדקיה השתא ואי דליתיה לסכין כי אחרים רואין אותו מאי הוי דלמא בסכין פגומה שחיט קשיא
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Jewish transgressor who slaughters. The Gemara asks: In what case? If it is a case where one examined a knife and gave it to the transgressor, didn’t you say in that case that the transgressor may slaughter ab initio? Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where one did not examine the knife. If it is a case where the knife is available, let him examine the knife now to make sure that there are no nicks. And if it is a case where the knife is not available, then when others see him slaughter, what of it? How can one eat from what he slaughtered? Perhaps he slaughtered the animal with a notched knife. The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
רבינא אמר הכי קתני הכל שוחטין הכל מומחין שוחטין מומחין ואע”פ שאין מוחזקין
§ Ravina said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, i.e., everyone who is an expert in the halakhot of ritual slaughter slaughters; all experts are qualified to slaughter, and this is the halakha even if they are not established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting.
בד”א שיודעין בו שיודע לומר הלכות שחיטה אבל אין יודעין בו שיודע לומר הלכות שחיטה לא ישחוט ואם שחט בודקין אותו אם יודע לומר הלכות שחיטה מותר לאכול משחיטתו ואם לאו אסור לאכול משחיטתו
In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where people know about him that he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter. But if people do not know about him that he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter, he may not slaughter an animal ab initio. And if he slaughtered an animal, one examines him; if he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter it is permitted to eat meat from what he slaughtered, and if not, it is prohibited to eat from what he slaughtered.
חוץ מחרש שוטה וקטן דאפילו דיעבד נמי לא שמא ישהו שמא ידרסו ושמא יחלידו וכולן ששחטו אהייא אילימא אחרש שוטה וקטן עלה קאי ואם שחטו מבעי ליה
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
אלא אשאין מומחין בבודקין אותו סגי דליתיה לקמן דליבדקיה
Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where they are not experts. The Gemara rejects the possibility that they are not experts, as in that case, if one examines him after the slaughter to determine his expertise in the halakhot of ritual slaughter, it is sufficient. The Gemara answers: Supervision is necessary in the case where the one who slaughtered the animal is not before us so that we can examine him.
ואיכא דאמרי רבינא אמר הכי קתני הכל שוחטין הכל מוחזקין שוחטין מוחזקין אע”פ שאין מומחין בד”א ששחטו לפנינו ב’ וג’ פעמים ולא נתעלף אבל לא שחט לפנינו ב’ וג’ פעמים לא ישחוט שמא יתעלף ואם שחט ואמר ברי לי שלא נתעלפתי שחיטתו כשרה
And there are those who say that Ravina said that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, i.e., everyone who is established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting slaughters; all those established concerning this are qualified to slaughter, even if it is not known if they are experts. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where they slaughtered before us two or three times and did not faint. But if he did not slaughter before us two or three times he may not slaughter an animal ab initio, lest he faint. And if he slaughtered an animal and said: It is clear to me that I did not faint, his slaughter is valid.
חוץ מחרש שוטה וקטן דאפילו דיעבד נמי לא שמא ישהו שמא ידרסו ושמא יחלידו וכולן ששחטו אהייא אילימא אחרש שוטה וקטן עלה קאי ואם שחטו מיבעי ליה
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
אלא אשאין מוחזקין והאמרת בברי לי סגי דליתיה קמן דלישייליה
Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where they are not established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting. The Gemara rejects that possibility, as in that case, didn’t you say that if one said after the slaughter: It is clear to me that I did not faint, it is sufficient? The Gemara answers: Supervision is necessary in the case where the one who slaughtered the animal is not before us so that we can ask him whether he fainted.
רבינא ורבה בר עולא כאביי ורבא ורב אשי לא אמרי משום דקשיא להו וכולן
The Gemara summarizes: Ravina and Rabba bar Ulla did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Abaye, Rava, and Rav Ashi due to the fact that the phrase in the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult for them.
כולהו כרבה בר עולא לא אמרי להך לישנא דאמרת הכא עיקר אדרבה התם עיקר דבקדשים קאי
All of the other amora’im did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Rabba bar Ulla, who interprets the mishna as referring to the case of a ritually impure person; according to that version that you said: The mishna here is the primary source for the halakha of a ritually impure person who slaughtered a sacrificial animal, the other amora’im reject this interpretation because, on the contrary, the mishna there is the primary source, as it is standing in tractate Zevaḥim, which deals with sacrificial animals.
להך לישנא דאמרת התם עיקר והכא איידי דתנא טמא בחולין תנא נמי טמא במוקדשין טמא בחולין גופיה לא איצטריכא ליה חולין שנעשו על טהרת קדש לאו כקדש דמו
The amora’im also reject the interpretation according to that other version that you said: The mishna there is the primary source, and here, since the tanna taught the case of a ritually impure person who slaughtered non-sacred animals, he teaches the case of a ritually impure person who slaughtered sacrificial animals as well. The reason is that it was not necessary for the tanna to teach the case itself of a ritually impure person who slaughtered a non-sacred animal, as in the opinion of the other amora’im, the halakhic status of non-sacred foods that were prepared according to the strictures of sacrificial food is not like that of sacrificial food, and it is permitted to render such food impure.
כולהו כרבינא לא אמרי להך לישנא דאמר מומחין אין שאין מומחין לא רוב מצויין אצל שחיטה מומחין הן
All of the other amora’im did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Ravina; according to that version that he said: Experts, yes, may slaughter ab initio, but those that it is not known that they are experts, no, they may not slaughter ab initio, the other amora’im disagree because they hold that the majority of those associated with slaughter are experts. Therefore, even if it is not known whether they are experts, their slaughter is valid.
להך לישנא דאמר מוחזקין אין שאין מוחזקין לא לעלופי לא חיישינן
According to that version that Ravina said: People who are established as accustomed to slaughter without fainting, yes, they may slaughter ab initio, but people who are not established as accustomed to slaughter without fainting, no, they may not slaughter ab initio, the other amora’im disagree because they hold that we are not concerned for the possibility of fainting.
רבא לא אמר כאביי כי קושייה אביי לא אמר כרבא התם לא נגע הכא נגע
Rava did not say a resolution like that of Abaye, that the mishna is referring to a Samaritan, in accordance with the difficulty that he raised from the halakha of wine belonging to a Jew to which a gentile has access. Abaye did not say a resolution like that of Rava, that a Samaritan may slaughter ab initio if a Jew enters and exits, because there, in the case of wine, the gentile does not touch the wine; therefore, it is sufficient if the Jew enters and exits. Here, in the case of slaughter, the Samaritan touches the animal in the course of slaughter, and he can disqualify the slaughter in an instant. Therefore, Abaye holds that it is insufficient for a Jew to enter and exit.
רב אשי לא אמר כתרוייהו קסבר כותים גרי אריות הן
Rav Ashi did not say a resolution like that of both of them, Abaye and Rava, because he holds: Samaritans are converts who converted under duress due to the threat posed by lions, and their conversion is void; therefore, their halakhic status is that of a gentile, whose slaughter is not valid.
אביי לא אמר כרב אשי לא סבירא ליה הא דרבא אלא רבא מאי טעמא לא אמר כשמעתיה
Abaye did not say a resolution like that of Rav Ashi, who interprets the mishna as referring to a Jewish transgressor whose transgression is that he eats unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, because he does not hold that which Rava said, that such a transgressor may slaughter ab initio if his knife is examined beforehand by someone reliable. But as for Rava, what is the reason that he did not say a resolution in accordance with his own statement of halakha with regard to the slaughter of a transgressor and explain the mishna in the manner that Rav Ashi did?
לדבריו דאביי קאמר וליה לא סבירא ליה:
The Gemara answers: When Rava explained that the tanna in the mishna is referring to the slaughter of a Samaritan, he stated his opinion in accordance with the statement of Abaye in order to resolve the difficulty that Abaye raised; but he himself does not hold accordingly.
תנו רבנן שחיטת כותי מותרת במה דברים אמורים כשישראל עומד על גביו אבל בא ומצאו ששחט חותך כזית ונותן לו אכלו מותר לאכול משחיטתו ואם לאו אסור לאכול משחיטתו
§ The Sages taught in a baraita: The slaughter performed by a Samaritan is permitted ab initio. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where there is a Jew standing over him and supervising to ensure that the slaughter was performed properly. But if the Jew came and found that the Samaritan already slaughtered the animal, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
כיוצא בו מצא בידו
Similarly, if the Jew found in the possession of a Samaritan
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Janice Block
Beit Shemesh, Israel
While vacationing in San Diego, Rabbi Leah Herz asked if I’d be interested in being in hevruta with her to learn Daf Yomi through Hadran. Why not? I had loved learning Gemara in college in 1971 but hadn’t returned. With the onset of covid, Daf Yomi and Rabbanit Michelle centered me each day. Thank-you for helping me grow and enter this amazing world of learning.
Meryll Page
Minneapolis, MN, United States
My first Talmud class experience was a weekly group in 1971 studying Taanit. In 2007 I resumed Talmud study with a weekly group I continue learning with. January 2020, I was inspired to try learning Daf Yomi. A friend introduced me to Daf Yomi for Women and Rabbanit Michelle Farber, I have kept with this program and look forward, G- willing, to complete the entire Shas with Hadran.
Lorri Lewis
Palo Alto, CA, United States
I attended the Siyum so that I could tell my granddaughter that I had been there. Then I decided to listen on Spotify and after the siyum of Brachot, Covid and zoom began. It gave structure to my day. I learn with people from all over the world who are now my friends – yet most of us have never met. I can’t imagine life without it. Thank you Rabbanit Michelle.
Emma Rinberg
Raanana, Israel
I had no formal learning in Talmud until I began my studies in the Joint Program where in 1976 I was one of the few, if not the only, woman talmud major. It was superior training for law school and enabled me to approach my legal studies with a foundation . In 2018, I began daf yomi listening to Rabbanit MIchelle’s pod cast and my daily talmud studies are one of the highlights of my life.
Terri Krivosha
Minneapolis, United States
In early 2020, I began the process of a stem cell transplant. The required extreme isolation forced me to leave work and normal life but gave me time to delve into Jewish text study. I did not feel isolated. I began Daf Yomi at the start of this cycle, with family members joining me online from my hospital room. I’ve used my newly granted time to to engage, grow and connect through this learning.
Reena Slovin
Worcester, United States
In early January of 2020, I learned about Siyyum HaShas and Daf Yomi via Tablet Magazine’s brief daily podcast about the Daf. I found it compelling and fascinating. Soon I discovered Hadran; since then I have learned the Daf daily with Rabbanit Michelle Cohen Farber. The Daf has permeated my every hour, and has transformed and magnified my place within the Jewish Universe.
Lisa Berkelhammer
San Francisco, CA , United States
I started learning with rabbis. I needed to know more than the stories. My first teacher to show me “the way of the Talmud” as well as the stories was Samara Schwartz.
Michelle Farber started the new cycle 2 yrs ago and I jumped on for the ride.
I do not look back.
Jenifer Nech
Houston, United States
Having never learned Talmud before, I started Daf Yomi in hopes of connecting to the Rabbinic tradition, sharing a daily idea on Instagram (@dafyomiadventures). With Hadran and Sefaria, I slowly gained confidence in my skills and understanding. Now, part of the Pardes Jewish Educators Program, I can’t wait to bring this love of learning with me as I continue to pass it on to my future students.
Hannah Greenberg
Pennsylvania, United States
I had dreamed of doing daf yomi since I had my first serious Talmud class 18 years ago at Pardes with Rahel Berkovitz, and then a couple of summers with Leah Rosenthal. There is no way I would be able to do it without another wonderful teacher, Michelle, and the Hadran organization. I wake up and am excited to start each day with the next daf.
Beth Elster
Irvine, United States
I started learning when my brother sent me the news clip of the celebration of the last Daf Yomi cycle. I was so floored to see so many women celebrating that I wanted to be a part of it. It has been an enriching experience studying a text in a language I don’t speak, using background knowledge that I don’t have. It is stretching my learning in unexpected ways, bringing me joy and satisfaction.
Jodi Gladstone
Warwick, Rhode Island, United States
I started learning at the beginning of this cycle more than 2 years ago, and I have not missed a day or a daf. It’s been challenging and enlightening and even mind-numbing at times, but the learning and the shared experience have all been worth it. If you are open to it, there’s no telling what might come into your life.
Patti Evans
Phoenix, Arizona, United States
I started learning Daf Yomi in January 2020 after watching my grandfather, Mayer Penstein z”l, finish shas with the previous cycle. My grandfather made learning so much fun was so proud that his grandchildren wanted to join him. I was also inspired by Ilana Kurshan’s book, If All the Seas Were Ink. Two years in, I can say that it has enriched my life in so many ways.
Leeza Hirt Wilner
New York, United States
I tried Daf Yomi in the middle of the last cycle after realizing I could listen to Michelle’s shiurim online. It lasted all of 2 days! Then the new cycle started just days before my father’s first yahrzeit and my youngest daughter’s bat mitzvah. It seemed the right time for a new beginning. My family, friends, colleagues are immensely supportive!
Catriella Freedman
Zichron Yaakov, Israel
In early January of 2020, I learned about Siyyum HaShas and Daf Yomi via Tablet Magazine’s brief daily podcast about the Daf. I found it compelling and fascinating. Soon I discovered Hadran; since then I have learned the Daf daily with Rabbanit Michelle Cohen Farber. The Daf has permeated my every hour, and has transformed and magnified my place within the Jewish Universe.
Lisa Berkelhammer
San Francisco, CA , United States
“I got my job through the NY Times” was an ad campaign when I was growing up. I can headline “I got my daily Daf shiur and Hadran through the NY Times”. I read the January 4, 2020 feature on Reb. Michelle Farber and Hadran and I have been participating ever since. Thanks NY Times & Hadran!
Deborah Aschheim
New York, United States
I heard the new Daf Yomi cycle was starting and I was curious, so I searched online for a women’s class and was pleasently surprised to find Rabanit Michelle’s great class reviews in many online articles. It has been a splendid journey. It is a way to fill my days with Torah, learning so many amazing things I have never heard before during my Tanach learning at High School. Thanks so much .
Martha Tarazi
Panama, Panama
Chullin 3
ืืจื ืืจื ืืื ืืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืื ืืืื ืกืืื ืืืืืชืื ืืืฉืจ
It is derived from the juxtaposition of โslainโ to โswordโ that the halakhic status of a sword or any other metal vessel that comes into contact with a corpse is like that of a corpse itself. Similarly, if a metal utensil comes in contact with a person impure with impurity imparted by a corpse, it assumes his status. Therefore, since the impure person is a primary source of ritual impurity, let him render the knife impure, rendering it as well a primary source of impurity, and the knife then goes and renders the flesh impure.
ืืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืจืฅ ืืื ืืขืืช ืืืื ืืขืืื ืืืืืื ืืืช ืืืืื ืฉืืืง ืงืจืืืืช ืฉื ืงื ื ืืฉืื ืื ืืชื ืื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืื ืืฆืืจ ืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืื ืืงืจืืืืช ืฉื ืงื ื
Rather, it is a case where the person became impure with impurity imparted by a creeping animal; as he assumes first-degree ritual impurity status and does not render vessels impure, the knife remains ritually pure. And if you wish, say instead that actually he became impure with impurity imparted by a corpse, and it is a case where one examined the stalk of a reed, which is a flat wooden vessel that does not become ritually impure, to ensure that it is perfectly smooth with no nicks, and slaughtered with it, as it is taught in a baraita: One may slaughter an animal with any sharp object, whether with a flint, or with glass shards, or with the stalk of a reed.
ืืืื ืืืจ ืืื ืงืชื ื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืคืืื ืืืชื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืืจืื ืืฉืืฉืจืื ืขืืื ืขื ืืืื ืืื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืื ืืฉืืื
ยง Abaye said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Samaritan. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where a Jew is standing over him and ensuring that he slaughters properly; but if the Jew merely exits and enters and does not have a constant presence, the Samaritan may not slaughter the animal.
ืืื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืืช ืืฉืจ ืื ืืชื ืื ืืืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืื ืืืื ืืกืืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื
And if the Samaritan slaughtered the animal without supervision, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. Since Samaritans are meticulous with regard to the meat that they eat and eat meat only from an animal that was slaughtered properly, the Jew may partake of the meat. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, there is concern that the animal was not slaughtered properly, and it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
ืืืฅ ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืืืคืืื ืืืขืื ื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืจืกื ืืฉืื ืืืืืื
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, who, even if they slaughtered only non-sacred animals, their slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter.
ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืขืื ืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืขื ืืื
The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is it referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
ืืื ืืืืชื ืื ืืืจืช ืืฉืืฉืจืื ืขืืื ืขื ืืืื ืฉืืื ืืคืืื ืืืชืืื ืงืฉืื
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Samaritan who slaughters. The Gemara rejects that possibility. But didnโt you say in that case: When a Jew is standing over him, a Samaritan may slaughter even ab initio? The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
ืืืจ ืจืื ืืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืืืชืืื ืื ืืืชื ื ืืื ืื ืขืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืืชื ืืืฉืจืื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืืืชืจ ืืชื ืื ืงืชื ื ืื ืื ืืื ืื ืงืชื ื ืืืขืื
Rava said: And in a case where a Jew exits and enters, is it not permitted for the Samaritan to slaughter the animal ab initio? But didnโt we learn in a mishna (Avoda Zara 69a): In the case of one who leaves a gentile in his store in which there is wine, and a Jew exits and enters, the wine is permitted? Just as there, the sporadic presence of the Jew is sufficient to ensure that the gentile will refrain from touching the wine, it should be sufficient in the case of a Samaritan who slaughters an animal as well. The Gemara rejects that proof. There, in the case of the store, does the tanna teach: One leaves a gentile ab initio? The tanna teaches: One who leaves, after the fact. Consequently, there is no proof from there that the Jewโs sporadic presence is sufficient to permit slaughter by a Samaritan ab initio.
ืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืฉืืืจ ืฆืจืื ืืืืืช ืืืฉื ืืืฉืืจ ืืื ืืข”ืค ืฉืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืืืชืจ
Rather, proof can be cited from the mishna here (Avoda Zara 61a): In a case where barrels of wine belonging to a Jew are in the possession of a gentile, and a Jew was tasked with supervising those barrels, the supervisor need not be continuously sitting and supervising to ensure that the gentile does not touch the wine; rather, even if the supervisor exits and enters, the wine is permitted. This mishna clearly indicates that exiting and entering is sufficient even ab initio.
ืืื ืืืจ ืจืื ืืื ืงืชื ื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืคื’ ืืืชื ืื”ื ืืฉืืฉืจืื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืืื ืื ืืืฆืื ืฉืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืืช ืืฉืจ ืื ืืชื ืื ืืืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืื ืืืื ืืกืืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื
Rather, Rava said in resolution of the apparent contradiction similar to the resolution proposed by Abaye, that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Samaritan. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where a Jew exits and enters; but if the Jew does not exit and enter and instead came and found that the Samaritan slaughtered the animal, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
ืืืฅ ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืืืคืืื ืืืขืื ื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืืฉืื ืืืจืกื ืืฉืื ืืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืขืื ืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืขื ืืื
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
ืืื ืืืืชื ืื ืืืจืช ืืคืืื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืก ืฉืืื ืืืชืืื ืงืฉืื
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Samaritan who slaughters. The Gemara rejects that possibility. But didnโt you say that if a Jew is present, then even if he exits and enters and does not have a constant presence, a Samaritan may slaughter even ab initio? The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
ืจื ืืฉื ืืืจ ืืื ืงืชื ื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืคืืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืจ ืืืืจ ืืืื ืืืืื ื ืืืืืช ืืชืืืืื ืืืืจืื ืืืืจ ืจืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืจ ืืืื ื ืืืืืช ืืชืืืืื
ยง Rav Ashi said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, and even a Jewish transgressor [meshummad]. The Gemara asks: A transgressor of what sort? The Gemara answers: It is one whose transgression is to eat unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, i.e., for his convenience. And the ruling of the mishna is in accordance with the statement of Rava, as Rava says: In the case of a Jewish transgressor whose transgression is that he eats unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, if he seeks to slaughter an animal,
ืืืืง ืกืืื ืื ืืชื ืื ืืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืืื ืื ืืืง ืื ืชื ืื ืื ืืฉืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืืืง ืกืืื ื ืืืจืื ื ืืฆืืช ืกืืื ื ืืคื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืืื ืืื ืืกืืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื
one examines a knife to ensure that it is perfectly smooth with no nicks and gives it to the transgressor, and it is permitted to eat from what he slaughtered. But if one did not examine the knife and give it to the transgressor, the transgressor may not slaughter an animal ab initio. And if the transgressor slaughtered an animal, one examines his knife after his slaughter. If his knife is found to be perfectly smooth, it is permitted to eat meat from what he slaughtered, and if not, it is prohibited to eat from what he slaughtered.
ืืืฅ ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืืืคืืื ืืืขืื ื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืจืกื ืืฉืื ืืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืขืื ืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืขื ืืื
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is it referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
ืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืืง ืกืืื ืื ืืชื ืื ืื ืืืจืช ืฉืืื ืืืชืืื ืืื ืืื ืืืง ืื ืืืืชืื ืืกืืื ืืืืืงืื ืืฉืชื ืืื ืืืืชืื ืืกืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืจืืืื ืืืชื ืืื ืืื ืืืื ืืกืืื ืคืืืื ืฉืืื ืงืฉืื
Rather, perhaps the reference is to the case of a Jewish transgressor who slaughters. The Gemara asks: In what case? If it is a case where one examined a knife and gave it to the transgressor, didnโt you say in that case that the transgressor may slaughter ab initio? Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where one did not examine the knife. If it is a case where the knife is available, let him examine the knife now to make sure that there are no nicks. And if it is a case where the knife is not available, then when others see him slaughter, what of it? How can one eat from what he slaughtered? Perhaps he slaughtered the animal with a notched knife. The Gemara concedes that the formulation of the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult according to this explanation of the mishna.
ืจืืื ื ืืืจ ืืื ืงืชื ื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืข”ืค ืฉืืื ืืืืืงืื
ยง Ravina said in resolution of the apparent contradiction in the mishna that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, i.e., everyone who is an expert in the halakhot of ritual slaughter slaughters; all experts are qualified to slaughter, and this is the halakha even if they are not established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting.
ืื”ื ืฉืืืืขืื ืื ืฉืืืืข ืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืฉืืืื ืืื ืืื ืืืืขืื ืื ืฉืืืืข ืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืฉืืืื ืื ืืฉืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืืืงืื ืืืชื ืื ืืืืข ืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืฉืืืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืืื ืืื ืืกืืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื
In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where people know about him that he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter. But if people do not know about him that he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter, he may not slaughter an animal ab initio. And if he slaughtered an animal, one examines him; if he knows and is able to recite the halakhot of ritual slaughter it is permitted to eat meat from what he slaughtered, and if not, it is prohibited to eat from what he slaughtered.
ืืืฅ ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืืืคืืื ืืืขืื ื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืจืกื ืืฉืื ืืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืขืื ืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืขื ืืื
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
ืืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืืืืืงืื ืืืชื ืกืื ืืืืชืื ืืงืื ืืืืืืงืื
Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where they are not experts. The Gemara rejects the possibility that they are not experts, as in that case, if one examines him after the slaughter to determine his expertise in the halakhot of ritual slaughter, it is sufficient. The Gemara answers: Supervision is necessary in the case where the one who slaughtered the animal is not before us so that we can examine him.
ืืืืื ืืืืจื ืจืืื ื ืืืจ ืืื ืงืชื ื ืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืงืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืืืงืื ืืข”ืค ืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืื”ื ืฉืฉืืื ืืคื ืื ื ื’ ืื’ ืคืขืืื ืืื ื ืชืขืืฃ ืืื ืื ืฉืื ืืคื ืื ื ื’ ืื’ ืคืขืืื ืื ืืฉืืื ืฉืื ืืชืขืืฃ ืืื ืฉืื ืืืืจ ืืจื ืื ืฉืื ื ืชืขืืคืชื ืฉืืืืชื ืืฉืจื
And there are those who say that Ravina said that this is what the mishna is teaching: Everyone slaughters, i.e., everyone who is established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting slaughters; all those established concerning this are qualified to slaughter, even if it is not known if they are experts. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where they slaughtered before us two or three times and did not faint. But if he did not slaughter before us two or three times he may not slaughter an animal ab initio, lest he faint. And if he slaughtered an animal and said: It is clear to me that I did not faint, his slaughter is valid.
ืืืฅ ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืืืคืืื ืืืขืื ื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืจืกื ืืฉืื ืืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืฉ ืฉืืื ืืงืื ืขืื ืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืขื ืืื
And it teaches: This is the halakha with regard to all people except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, whose slaughter is not valid even after the fact. The reason the Sages deemed such slaughter not valid is lest people in these categories interrupt the slaughter, lest they press the knife in the course of slaughter, and lest they conceal the knife beneath the windpipe or the gullet in the course of an inverted slaughter. The Gemara asks: If so, with regard to the clause in the mishna that follows: And any of them who slaughtered an animal and others see and supervise them, their slaughter is valid, to which case in the mishna is this referring? If we say that the reference is to the case of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor, since that is the halakha to which it stands adjacent, the tanna should have formulated the phrase: And if they slaughtered, instead of: And any of them who slaughtered.
ืืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืืงืื ืืืืืจืช ืืืจื ืื ืกืื ืืืืชืื ืงืื ืืืืฉืืืืื
Rather, perhaps the reference is to a case where they are not established as accustomed to slaughter with a steady hand and without fainting. The Gemara rejects that possibility, as in that case, didnโt you say that if one said after the slaughter: It is clear to me that I did not faint, it is sufficient? The Gemara answers: Supervision is necessary in the case where the one who slaughtered the animal is not before us so that we can ask him whether he fainted.
ืจืืื ื ืืจืื ืืจ ืขืืื ืืืืื ืืจืื ืืจื ืืฉื ืื ืืืจื ืืฉืื ืืงืฉืื ืืื ืืืืื
The Gemara summarizes: Ravina and Rabba bar Ulla did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Abaye, Rava, and Rav Ashi due to the fact that the phrase in the mishna: And any of them who slaughtered, is difficult for them.
ืืืืื ืืจืื ืืจ ืขืืื ืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืฉื ื ืืืืจืช ืืื ืขืืงืจ ืืืจืื ืืชื ืขืืงืจ ืืืงืืฉืื ืงืื
All of the other amoraโim did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Rabba bar Ulla, who interprets the mishna as referring to the case of a ritually impure person; according to that version that you said: The mishna here is the primary source for the halakha of a ritually impure person who slaughtered a sacrificial animal, the other amoraโim reject this interpretation because, on the contrary, the mishna there is the primary source, as it is standing in tractate Zevaแธฅim, which deals with sacrificial animals.
ืืื ืืืฉื ื ืืืืจืช ืืชื ืขืืงืจ ืืืื ืืืืื ืืชื ื ืืื ืืืืืื ืชื ื ื ืื ืืื ืืืืงืืฉืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืืคืื ืื ืืืฆืืจืืื ืืื ืืืืื ืฉื ืขืฉื ืขื ืืืจืช ืงืืฉ ืืื ืืงืืฉ ืืื
The amoraโim also reject the interpretation according to that other version that you said: The mishna there is the primary source, and here, since the tanna taught the case of a ritually impure person who slaughtered non-sacred animals, he teaches the case of a ritually impure person who slaughtered sacrificial animals as well. The reason is that it was not necessary for the tanna to teach the case itself of a ritually impure person who slaughtered a non-sacred animal, as in the opinion of the other amoraโim, the halakhic status of non-sacred foods that were prepared according to the strictures of sacrificial food is not like that of sacrificial food, and it is permitted to render such food impure.
ืืืืื ืืจืืื ื ืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืฉื ื ืืืืจ ืืืืืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืื ืจืื ืืฆืืืื ืืฆื ืฉืืืื ืืืืืื ืื
All of the other amoraโim did not say a resolution to the apparent contradiction in the mishna like that of Ravina; according to that version that he said: Experts, yes, may slaughter ab initio, but those that it is not known that they are experts, no, they may not slaughter ab initio, the other amoraโim disagree because they hold that the majority of those associated with slaughter are experts. Therefore, even if it is not known whether they are experts, their slaughter is valid.
ืืื ืืืฉื ื ืืืืจ ืืืืืงืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืืงืื ืื ืืขืืืคื ืื ืืืืฉืื ื
According to that version that Ravina said: People who are established as accustomed to slaughter without fainting, yes, they may slaughter ab initio, but people who are not established as accustomed to slaughter without fainting, no, they may not slaughter ab initio, the other amoraโim disagree because they hold that we are not concerned for the possibility of fainting.
ืจืื ืื ืืืจ ืืืืื ืื ืงืืฉืืื ืืืื ืื ืืืจ ืืจืื ืืชื ืื ื ืืข ืืื ื ืืข
Rava did not say a resolution like that of Abaye, that the mishna is referring to a Samaritan, in accordance with the difficulty that he raised from the halakha of wine belonging to a Jew to which a gentile has access. Abaye did not say a resolution like that of Rava, that a Samaritan may slaughter ab initio if a Jew enters and exits, because there, in the case of wine, the gentile does not touch the wine; therefore, it is sufficient if the Jew enters and exits. Here, in the case of slaughter, the Samaritan touches the animal in the course of slaughter, and he can disqualify the slaughter in an instant. Therefore, Abaye holds that it is insufficient for a Jew to enter and exit.
ืจื ืืฉื ืื ืืืจ ืืชืจืืืืื ืงืกืืจ ืืืชืื ืืจื ืืจืืืช ืื
Rav Ashi did not say a resolution like that of both of them, Abaye and Rava, because he holds: Samaritans are converts who converted under duress due to the threat posed by lions, and their conversion is void; therefore, their halakhic status is that of a gentile, whose slaughter is not valid.
ืืืื ืื ืืืจ ืืจื ืืฉื ืื ืกืืืจื ืืื ืื ืืจืื ืืื ืจืื ืืื ืืขืื ืื ืืืจ ืืฉืืขืชืื
Abaye did not say a resolution like that of Rav Ashi, who interprets the mishna as referring to a Jewish transgressor whose transgression is that he eats unslaughtered animal carcasses to satisfy his appetite, because he does not hold that which Rava said, that such a transgressor may slaughter ab initio if his knife is examined beforehand by someone reliable. But as for Rava, what is the reason that he did not say a resolution in accordance with his own statement of halakha with regard to the slaughter of a transgressor and explain the mishna in the manner that Rav Ashi did?
ืืืืจืื ืืืืื ืงืืืจ ืืืื ืื ืกืืืจื ืืื:
The Gemara answers: When Rava explained that the tanna in the mishna is referring to the slaughter of a Samaritan, he stated his opinion in accordance with the statement of Abaye in order to resolve the difficulty that Abaye raised; but he himself does not hold accordingly.
ืชื ื ืจืื ื ืฉืืืืช ืืืชื ืืืชืจืช ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืืจืื ืืฉืืฉืจืื ืขืืื ืขื ืืืื ืืื ืื ืืืฆืื ืฉืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืืช ืื ืืชื ืื ืืืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื ืืื ืืื ืืกืืจ ืืืืื ืืฉืืืืชื
ยง The Sages taught in a baraita: The slaughter performed by a Samaritan is permitted ab initio. In what case is this statement said? It is said in a case where there is a Jew standing over him and supervising to ensure that the slaughter was performed properly. But if the Jew came and found that the Samaritan already slaughtered the animal, the Jew cuts an olive-bulk of meat from the slaughtered animal and gives it to the Samaritan to eat. If the Samaritan ate it, it is permitted for the Jew to eat meat from what the Samaritan slaughtered. But if the Samaritan did not eat the meat, it is prohibited to eat from what the Samaritan slaughtered.
ืืืืฆื ืื ืืฆื ืืืื
Similarly, if the Jew found in the possession of a Samaritan
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