Search

Eruvin 24

Want to dedicate learning? Get started here:

English
עברית
podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




Summary

Pictures Eruvin 24

Today’s daf is sponsored by the Loebenberg family in honor of the yahrzeit of our father and grandfather, Ralph Loebenberg, Raphael ben Mordechai, z”l, who was able to be mesayem Masechet Eruvin two cycles ago, and also in honor of one of his granddaughters, Danya Gewurz, who is continuing on with her daf yomi learning with this third masechet as part of this cycle. Saba would be so proud.

What is the status of an enclosure that was enclosed for living purposes but one planted in it – does that change its status? On what does it depend? Rav Huna son of Rabbi Yehoshua limits the case but there are 3 versions of what exactly he said – what he was limiting and what were the limits he set. If one enclosed the space not for living purposes and then decides to live there, what does one need to do to make the space permitted for carrying? One needs to breach the wall more than ten cubits and rebuild. What if one breached a small amount at a time and fixed it up so that at every given point, there was not a breach of more than ten – does that work? If a space was walled in for purposes of living and then became filled with water – does that cancel its status “for living purposes” – on what does it depend? How did they fix the rechava, large open space in Pum Nahara that was open on one side to an alley that opened to the public domain and the other side was a path between vineyards that led to the river? What did that allow them to do?

 

Today’s daily daf tools:

Eruvin 24

בְּטִיל לֵיהּ לְגַבַּי רוּבָּה, וְהָוֵה לֵיהּ קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — וְאָסוּר.

is nullified relative to the greater part, and it is as though the karpef were entirely sown. And therefore, it is regarded as a karpef greater than two beit se’a, in which it is prohibited to carry.

אֶלָּא אִי אִיתְּמַר הָכִי אִיתְּמַר: הָא מִיעוּטָא — שָׁרֵי. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא דְּלָא הָוֵי בֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל בֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר.

Rather, if this was stated, this is what was stated by Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua: If the greater part of the karpef was sown, it is prohibited to carry within it. It follows that if only a minor part of the karpef was sown, it is permitted to carry within it. Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, said: We said that it is permitted to carry only if the sown section is not as large as two beit se’a, however, if it is at least two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry anywhere in the karpef, even though most of it is not sown.

כְּמַאן? כְּרַבָּנַן.

The Gemara asks: According to whose opinion was this stated? It is according to the opinion of the Rabbis, who disagree with Rabbi Shimon and say that a karpef and a courtyard are regarded as separate domains, so that it is prohibited to carry from one to the other.

וְרַב יִרְמְיָה מִדִּיפְתִּי מַתְנֵי לְקוּלָּא: הָא מִיעוּטָא — שְׁרֵי, אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא בֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר. כְּמַאן? כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן.

And Rav Yirmeya from Difti would teach this matter as a leniency, as follows: It was stated that if the greater part of the karpef was sown, it is prohibited to carry within it. From here it follows that if only a minor part was sown, it is permitted to carry within it. Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua said: We only said that it is permitted to carry if the sown section is not more than two beit se’a, but if it is more than two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry. According to whose opinion was this stated? It was according to the opinion of Rabbi Shimon.

נָטַע רוּבּוֹ — הֲרֵי הוּא כְּחָצֵר, וּמוּתָּר. אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר אֲבִימִי: וְהוּא שֶׁעֲשׂוּיִין אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת. וְרַב נַחְמָן אָמַר: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין עֲשׂוּיִין אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת.

It was stated earlier that if the greater part of the karpef was planted with trees, it is considered like a courtyard, and it is permitted to carry. Rav Yehuda said that Avimi said: This is only if the trees were planted in rows [itztablaot], the customary manner of planting ornamental trees in a courtyard. But if they were arranged differently it is considered an orchard, which is not made for dwelling, and where it is prohibited to carry. But Rav Naḥman said: This applies even if they were not planted in rows, as people commonly plant trees in any arrangement in the courtyards of their houses.

מָר יְהוּדָה אִקְּלַע לְבֵי רַב הוּנָא בַּר יְהוּדָה. חֲזַנְהוּ לְהָנְהוּ דְּלָא עֲבִידִי אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת, וְקָא מְטַלְטְלִי בְּגַוַּיְיהוּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא סָבַר לַהּ מָר לְהָא דַּאֲבִימִי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא כְּרַב נַחְמָן סְבִירָא לִי.

Mar Yehuda happened to come to the house of Rav Huna bar Yehuda, where he saw certain trees that were not planted in rows, and people were nevertheless carrying among them. Mar Yehuda said to Rav Huna: Doesn’t the Master hold in accordance with this opinion of Avimi? Rav Huna said to him: I hold like the opinion of Rav Naḥman, that it is permitted to carry even if the trees are not planted in rows.

אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁלֹּא הוּקַּף לְדִירָה, כֵּיצַד הוּא עוֹשֶׂה? פּוֹרֵץ בּוֹ פִּירְצָה יוֹתֵר מֵעֶשֶׂר, וְגוֹדְרוֹ וּמַעֲמִידוֹ עַל עֶשֶׂר, וּמוּתָּר.

Rav Naḥman said that Shmuel said: With regard to a karpef that is greater than two beit se’a, and which was not enclosed from the outset for the purpose of residence, what should one do if he wishes to carry within it? He should make a breach in the fence larger than ten cubits, which nullifies the partition, and then fence it off and reduce the opening to only ten cubits, which thereby creates an entrance. He is then permitted to carry in the karpef, because it is now regarded as having been enclosed for the purpose of residence.

אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: פָּרַץ אַמָּה וְגָדַר אַמָּה [וּפָרַץ אַמָּה וּגְדָרָהּ], עַד שֶׁהִשְׁלִימוֹ לְיוֹתֵר מֵעֶשֶׂר, מַהוּ?

The Gemara raises a dilemma: If he did not make the breach at once, but rather he breached one cubit and fenced off that same cubit, and then breached another cubit and fenced it off, until he completed the breaching and fencing off of more than ten cubits, what is the law?

אֲמַר לֵיהּ, לָאו הַיְינוּ דִּתְנַן: כׇּל כְּלֵי בַּעֲלֵי בָתִּים, שִׁיעוּרָן כְּרִמּוֹנִים.

He said to him: Is this not as we learned in a mishna: All ritually impure wooden utensils belonging to ordinary homeowners become ritually pure through breaking the utensil, if they have holes the size of pomegranates.

וּבָעֵי חִזְקִיָּה: נִיקַּב כְּמוֹצִיא זַיִת וּסְתָמוֹ, וְחָזַר וְנִיקַּב כְּמוֹצִיא זַיִת וּסְתָמוֹ, עַד שֶׁהִשְׁלִימוֹ לְמוֹצִיא רִמּוֹן מַהוּ?

And Ḥizkiya raised a dilemma: If a utensil was perforated with a hole large enough for an olive to emerge, and he sealed it, and then it was perforated again with a hole large enough for an olive to emerge, and he sealed it again, and this went on until the holes together completed a space large enough for a pomegranate to emerge, what is the halakha? In other words, is the ruling that because the sum of all the holes is the size of a pomegranate the utensil is pure, or is the ruling that it remains ritually impure because each hole was filled before the next hole was formed?

וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: רַבִּי, שָׁנִיתָה לָנוּ: סַנְדָּל שֶׁנִּפְסְקָה אַחַת מֵאׇזְנָיו וְתִיקְּנָהּ — טָמֵא מִדְרָס.

Rabbi Yoḥanan his student said to him: Master, you taught us that with regard to a sandal that became ritually impure by impurity imparted by the treading of a zav, and one of its ears, i.e., straps, broke and he repaired it, it remains ritually impure with impurity imparted by treading [midras] and can still render people and utensils ritually impure. If one of a sandal’s straps is torn, it can still be used as a sandal, and therefore it does not lose its status as a utensil.

נִפְסְקָה שְׁנִיָּה וְתִיקְּנָהּ — טָהוֹר בָּהּ מִן הַמִּדְרָס, אֲבָל טָמֵא מַגַּע מִדְרָס.

If the second ear broke and he repaired it, it is ritually pure in the sense that it no longer renders other objects ritually impure as would a vessel that became a primary source of ritual impurity by means of impurity imparted by treading. However, the sandal itself is ritually impure due to contact with an object that became ritually impure with impurity imparted by treading, i.e., the sandal before its second strap ripped. Therefore, it can transmit ritual impurity to food and liquids.

וַאֲמַרְתְּ עֲלַהּ: מַאי שְׁנָא רִאשׁוֹנָה — דְּהָא קָיְימָא שְׁנִיָּה? שְׁנִיָּה נָמֵי — הָא קָיְימָא רִאשׁוֹנָה?!

And you said about this halakha: What is different in a case where the first ear breaks, that the sandal remains impure? It is because the second one is intact. However, when the second ear breaks, the first ear is intact; so how does the sandal lose its utensil status?

וַאֲמַרְתְּ לַן עֲלַהּ: פָּנִים חֲדָשׁוֹת בָּאוּ לְכָאן. הָכָא נָמֵי, פָּנִים חֲדָשׁוֹת בָּאוּ לְכָאן.

And then you said to us with regard to this that the reason it is no longer a utensil is because a new entity has arrived here. The legal status of the sandal with the two repaired ears is not that of the original sandal; it is a new sandal. Here, too, with regard to a utensil that was perforated several times, where the sum of all the holes adds up to the size of a pomegranate, let us say that a new entity has arrived here, as the entire area of the hole is completely new, and the utensil is no longer the same utensil that had been ritually impure.

קָרֵי עֲלֵיהּ: לֵית דֵּין בַּר אִינָשׁ. אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי: כְּגוֹן דֵּין בַּר נַשׁ.

Ḥizkiya was so impressed by Rabbi Yoḥanan’s comment that he exclaimed about him: This is not a human being; rather, he is an angel, as he is capable of resolving a problem that I struggle with, from something that I myself taught. Some say that he said: This is an ideal human being. This parallel analysis teaches that if one breached one cubit and fenced it off, breached another cubit and fenced it off, and continued this way until he breached and fenced off more than ten cubits, then this is effective, and he need not breach more than ten meters at once.

אָמַר רַב כָּהֲנָא: רְחָבָה שֶׁאֲחוֹרֵי הַבָּתִּים — אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בּוֹ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע אַמּוֹת.

Rav Kahana said: A fenced-in yard located behind a group of houses, which is used to store objects not in regular use and which measures more than two beit se’a, is not treated as a full-fledged private domain. Therefore, inside it, one may carry objects a distance of only four cubits.

וְאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אִם פָּתַח לוֹ פֶּתַח — מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלּוֹ, פֶּתַח מַתִּירוֹ. וְלָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא שֶׁפָּתַח וּלְבַסּוֹף הוּקַּף, אֲבָל הוּקַּף וּלְבַסּוֹף פָּתַח — לָא.

Rav Naḥman said: If one opened an entrance to it from the house, it is permitted to carry throughout the entire area, because the entrance permits it, allowing it to be considered as part of the house. And we stated this allowance only where he opened the entrance and afterward fenced in the area; but if he first fenced it in and only afterward opened the entrance, he may not carry throughout the yard.

פָּתַח וּלְבַסּוֹף הוּקַּף פְּשִׁיטָא! לָא צְרִיכָא, דְּאִית בֵּיהּ בֵּי דָרֵי. מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: אַדַּעְתָּא דְּבֵי דָרֵי עַבְדֵיהּ. קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

The Gemara raises a difficulty: If he first opened the entrance and afterward fenced in the area, it is obvious that it is permitted to carry throughout the yard, because it is clear that the area was enclosed for the entrance, i.e., in order to use it from the house. The Gemara answers: This ruling is necessary only in the case where there is a threshing floor in the yard. This is because you might have said that he made the entrance with the threshing floor in mind, and not so that he would be able to use the entire yard. He therefore comes and teaches us that the entrance renders it permitted to carry in the yard in all cases.

קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁהוּקַּף לְדִירָה וְנִתְמַלֵּא מַיִם, סְבוּר רַבָּנַן לְמֵימַר כִּזְרָעִים דָּמוּ — וַאֲסִיר.

The Gemara considers a new case: With regard to a karpef measuring more than two beit se’a, which had been enclosed for the purpose of residence but became filled with water, by floods or any other cause, the Rabbis thought to say that the water is considered like seeds. This means that the karpef is regarded as if it were sown with seeds, so that it is prohibited to carry. It is no longer considered as having been enclosed for the purpose of dwelling, since it is not normal to live in a place filled with water.

אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב אַבָּא אֲבוּהּ דְּרַב בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב מְשַׁרְשְׁיָא: הָכִי אָמְרִינַן מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבָא: מַיִם כִּנְטָעִים דָּמוּ, וּשְׁרֵי.

Rav Abba, father of Rav, son of Rav Mesharshiya, said: We say in the name of Rava as follows: Water is considered like planted trees, so that one is permitted to carry. A courtyard filled with water is still suitable for dwelling, since the water benefits the residents of the courtyard.

אָמַר אַמֵּימָר: וְהוּא דְּחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא, אֲבָל לָא חַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא — לָא.

Ameimar said: This ruling applies only if the water is fit for its regular use, i.e., for drinking, because in that case it provides for the needs of residence. However, if the water is not fit for use, then it is not considered like planted trees. Therefore, the karpef is no longer considered enclosed for the purpose of residence, and it is prohibited to carry in the karpef.

אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: וּדְחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא נָמֵי לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא שֶׁאֵין בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל אִם יֵשׁ בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר.

Rav Ashi said: And even where the water is fit for use, this ruling applies only if the water is not ten handbreadths deep over an area greater than two beit se’a; but if the water is ten handbreadths deep over an area greater than two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry in it, as in such a case the karpef is no longer considered enclosed for the sake of dwelling.

וְלָאו מִילְּתָא הִיא, מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה אַכַּרְיָא דְפֵירֵי.

The Gemara comments: And it is not so, just as it is in the case of a pile of fruit, as even if the pile of fruit is very large, the karpef does not lose its status as having been enclosed for the purpose of residence.

הָהִיא רְחָבָה דַּהֲוַאי בְּפוּם נַהֲרָא, דְּחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לְמָתָא, וְחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, וּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים הֲוָה סָלֵיק לְגוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא.

The Gemara relates: There was a certain yard in the town of Pum Nahara that was larger than two beit se’a and that had not been enclosed for the purpose of residence. One of its sides opened to an alleyway in the town, and the other opened to a walled path between the vineyards, and that vineyard path led to the bank of a river ten handbreadths high, which is considered a partition.

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הֵיכִי נַעֲבֵיד? לַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ מְחִיצָה אַגּוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא — אֵין עוֹשִׂין מְחִיצָה עַל גַּבֵּי מְחִיצָה.

Abaye said: What shall we do to permit carrying in the yard, which is a karmelit, without having to make a breach in one of its walls wider than ten cubits and then fence it up again? Shall we construct a partition for it on the river bank, so that the vineyard path is surrounded by partitions on all sides? This is not a viable solution, as one cannot construct an effective partition on top of another partition that already exists, and the river bank is considered a partition relative to the river.

וְלַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ צוּרַת הַפֶּתַח אַפּוּמָּא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים — אָתוּ גַּמְלֵי שָׁדְיָין לֵיהּ.

Shall we arrange a doorframe at the mouth of the vineyard path? That is also not an effective solution in this case, for the camels that walk down this path in order to drink water from the river will come and knock it over.

אֶלָּא אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לֶיעְבֵּיד לֶחִי אַפִּיתְחָא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנְיָא לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, מְהַנֵּי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

Rather, Abaye said: We should arrange a side post at the opening of the vineyard path to the yard, since as it is effective for the vineyard path, to allow one to carry on the path, as it is no longer breached into a karmelit, it is also effective for the yard, and the side post will be considered an additional partition that renders it permitted to carry in the yard.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: יֹאמְרוּ לֶחִי מוֹעִיל לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים דְּעָלְמָא.

Rava said to him: If so, people will say that a side post is effective in permitting one to carry in a vineyard path generally, and this will cause the public to err, as vineyard paths are usually open at both ends and do not lead to a river or the like.

אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: עָבְדִינַן לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְפִיתְחָא דְמָתָא, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנֵי לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְמָתָא, מַהְנֵי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

Rather, Rava said: They should arrange a side post at the opening of the yard to the town, as since the side post is effective and is considered a partition for the town, it is also effective for the yard, to permit one to carry within it.

הִלְכָּךְ: טַלְטוֹלֵי בְּמָתָא גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. טַלְטוֹלֵי בִּרְחָבָה גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. מִמָּתָא לִרְחָבָה וּמֵרְחָבָה לְמָתָא, פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא: חַד אָסַר וְחַד שָׁרֵי.

Therefore, in summary, it is permitted to carry within the town itself and to carry within the yard itself. However, with regard to carrying from the town to the yard or from the yard to the town, Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree: One prohibits doing so and the other permits it.

Today’s daily daf tools:

Delve Deeper

Broaden your understanding of the topics on this daf with classes and podcasts from top women Talmud scholars.

For the Beyond the Daf shiurim offered in Hebrew, see here.

New to Talmud?

Check out our resources designed to help you navigate a page of Talmud – and study at the pace, level and style that fits you. 

The Hadran Women’s Tapestry

Meet the diverse women learning Gemara at Hadran and hear their stories. 

Margo
I started my Talmud journey in 7th grade at Akiba Jewish Day School in Chicago. I started my Daf Yomi journey after hearing Erica Brown speak at the Hadran Siyum about marking the passage of time through Daf Yomi.

Carolyn
I started my Talmud journey post-college in NY with a few classes. I started my Daf Yomi journey after the Hadran Siyum, which inspired both my son and myself.

Carolyn Hochstadter and Margo Kossoff Shizgal
Carolyn Hochstadter and Margo Kossoff Shizgal

Merion Station,  USA

Beit Shemesh, Israel

I had no formal learning in Talmud until I began my studies in the Joint Program where in 1976 I was one of the few, if not the only, woman talmud major. It was superior training for law school and enabled me to approach my legal studies with a foundation . In 2018, I began daf yomi listening to Rabbanit MIchelle’s pod cast and my daily talmud studies are one of the highlights of my life.

Krivosha_Terri_Bio
Terri Krivosha

Minneapolis, United States

I started at the beginning of this cycle. No 1 reason, but here’s 5.
In 2019 I read about the upcoming siyum hashas.
There was a sermon at shul about how anyone can learn Talmud.
Talmud references come up when I am studying. I wanted to know more.
Yentl was on telly. Not a great movie but it’s about studying Talmud.
I went to the Hadran website: A new cycle is starting. I’m gonna do this

Denise Neapolitan
Denise Neapolitan

Cambridge, United Kingdom

I began to learn this cycle of Daf Yomi after my husband passed away 2 1/2 years ago. It seemed a good way to connect to him. Even though I don’t know whether he would have encouraged women learning Gemara, it would have opened wonderful conversations. It also gives me more depth for understanding my frum children and grandchildren. Thank you Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle Farber!!

Harriet Hartman
Harriet Hartman

Tzur Hadassah, Israel

I attended the Siyum so that I could tell my granddaughter that I had been there. Then I decided to listen on Spotify and after the siyum of Brachot, Covid and zoom began. It gave structure to my day. I learn with people from all over the world who are now my friends – yet most of us have never met. I can’t imagine life without it. Thank you Rabbanit Michelle.

Emma Rinberg
Emma Rinberg

Raanana, Israel

Geri Goldstein got me started learning daf yomi when I was in Israel 2 years ago. It’s been a challenge and I’ve learned a lot though I’m sure I miss a lot. I quilt as I listen and I want to share what I’ve been working on.

Rebecca Stulberg
Rebecca Stulberg

Ottawa, Canada

I started learning Gemara at the Yeshivah of Flatbush. And I resumed ‘ברוך ה decades later with Rabbanit Michele at Hadran. I started from Brachot and have had an exciting, rewarding experience throughout seder Moed!

Anne Mirsky (1)
Anne Mirsky

Maale Adumim, Israel

Inspired by Hadran’s first Siyum ha Shas L’Nashim two years ago, I began daf yomi right after for the next cycle. As to this extraordinary journey together with Hadran..as TS Eliot wrote “We must not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we began and to know the place for the first time.

Susan Handelman
Susan Handelman

Jerusalem, Israel

I started my Daf Yomi journey at the beginning of the COVID19 pandemic.

Karena Perry
Karena Perry

Los Angeles, United States

I started learning Dec 2019 after reading “If all the Seas Were Ink”. I found
Daily daf sessions of Rabbanit Michelle in her house teaching, I then heard about the siyum and a new cycle starting wow I am in! Afternoon here in Sydney, my family and friends know this is my sacred time to hide away to live zoom and learn. Often it’s hard to absorb and relate then a gem shines touching my heart.

Dianne Kuchar
Dianne Kuchar

Dover Heights, Australia

תמיד רציתי. למדתי גמרא בבית ספר בטורונטו קנדה. עליתי ארצה ולמדתי שזה לא מקובל. הופתעתי.
יצאתי לגימלאות לפני שנתיים וזה מאפשר את המחוייבות לדף יומי.
עבורי ההתמדה בלימוד מעגן אותי בקשר שלי ליהדות. אני תמיד מחפשת ותמיד. מוצאת מקור לקשר. ללימוד חדש ומחדש. קשר עם נשים לומדות מעמיק את החוויה ומשמעותית מאוד.

Vitti Kones
Vitti Kones

מיתר, ישראל

I started learning Daf in Jan 2020 with Brachot b/c I had never seen the Jewish people united around something so positive, and I wanted to be a part of it. Also, I wanted to broaden my background in Torah Shebal Peh- Maayanot gave me a great gemara education, but I knew that I could hold a conversation in most parts of tanach but almost no TSB. I’m so thankful for Daf and have gained immensely.

Meira Shapiro
Meira Shapiro

NJ, United States

I graduated college in December 2019 and received a set of shas as a present from my husband. With my long time dream of learning daf yomi, I had no idea that a new cycle was beginning just one month later, in January 2020. I have been learning the daf ever since with Michelle Farber… Through grad school, my first job, my first baby, and all the other incredible journeys over the past few years!
Sigal Spitzer Flamholz
Sigal Spitzer Flamholz

Bronx, United States

I began my journey with Rabbanit Michelle more than five years ago. My friend came up with a great idea for about 15 of us to learn the daf and one of us would summarize weekly what we learned.
It was fun but after 2-3 months people began to leave. I have continued. Since the cycle began Again I have joined the Teaneck women.. I find it most rewarding in so many ways. Thank you

Dena Heller
Dena Heller

New Jersey, United States

I started learning Dec 2019 after reading “If all the Seas Were Ink”. I found
Daily daf sessions of Rabbanit Michelle in her house teaching, I then heard about the siyum and a new cycle starting wow I am in! Afternoon here in Sydney, my family and friends know this is my sacred time to hide away to live zoom and learn. Often it’s hard to absorb and relate then a gem shines touching my heart.

Dianne Kuchar
Dianne Kuchar

Dover Heights, Australia

I started learning daf in January, 2020, being inspired by watching the Siyyum Hashas in Binyanei Haumah. I wasn’t sure I would be able to keep up with the task. When I went to school, Gemara was not an option. Fast forward to March, 2022, and each day starts with the daf. The challenge is now learning the intricacies of delving into the actual learning. Hadran community, thank you!

Rochel Cheifetz
Rochel Cheifetz

Riverdale, NY, United States

When I began learning Daf Yomi at the beginning of the current cycle, I was preparing for an upcoming surgery and thought that learning the Daf would be something positive I could do each day during my recovery, even if I accomplished nothing else. I had no idea what a lifeline learning the Daf would turn out to be in so many ways.

Laura Shechter
Laura Shechter

Lexington, MA, United States

I started with Ze Kollel in Berlin, directed by Jeremy Borowitz for Hillel Deutschland. We read Masechet Megillah chapter 4 and each participant wrote his commentary on a Sugia that particularly impressed him. I wrote six poems about different Sugiot! Fascinated by the discussions on Talmud I continued to learn with Rabanit Michelle Farber and am currently taking part in the Tikun Olam course.
Yael Merlini
Yael Merlini

Berlin, Germany

I was exposed to Talmud in high school, but I was truly inspired after my daughter and I decided to attend the Women’s Siyum Shas in 2020. We knew that this was a historic moment. We were blown away, overcome with emotion at the euphoria of the revolution. Right then, I knew I would continue. My commitment deepened with the every-morning Virtual Beit Midrash on Zoom with R. Michelle.

Adina Hagege
Adina Hagege

Zichron Yaakov, Israel

In January 2020 on a Shabbaton to Baltimore I heard about the new cycle of Daf Yomi after the siyum celebration in NYC stadium. I started to read “ a daily dose of Talmud “ and really enjoyed it . It led me to google “ do Orthodox women study Talmud? “ and found HADRAN! Since then I listen to the podcast every morning, participate in classes and siyum. I love to learn, this is amazing! Thank you

Sandrine Simons
Sandrine Simons

Atlanta, United States

Eruvin 24

בְּטִיל לֵיהּ לְגַבַּי רוּבָּה, וְהָוֵה לֵיהּ קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — וְאָסוּר.

is nullified relative to the greater part, and it is as though the karpef were entirely sown. And therefore, it is regarded as a karpef greater than two beit se’a, in which it is prohibited to carry.

אֶלָּא אִי אִיתְּמַר הָכִי אִיתְּמַר: הָא מִיעוּטָא — שָׁרֵי. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא דְּלָא הָוֵי בֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל בֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר.

Rather, if this was stated, this is what was stated by Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua: If the greater part of the karpef was sown, it is prohibited to carry within it. It follows that if only a minor part of the karpef was sown, it is permitted to carry within it. Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, said: We said that it is permitted to carry only if the sown section is not as large as two beit se’a, however, if it is at least two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry anywhere in the karpef, even though most of it is not sown.

כְּמַאן? כְּרַבָּנַן.

The Gemara asks: According to whose opinion was this stated? It is according to the opinion of the Rabbis, who disagree with Rabbi Shimon and say that a karpef and a courtyard are regarded as separate domains, so that it is prohibited to carry from one to the other.

וְרַב יִרְמְיָה מִדִּיפְתִּי מַתְנֵי לְקוּלָּא: הָא מִיעוּטָא — שְׁרֵי, אָמַר רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא בֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר. כְּמַאן? כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן.

And Rav Yirmeya from Difti would teach this matter as a leniency, as follows: It was stated that if the greater part of the karpef was sown, it is prohibited to carry within it. From here it follows that if only a minor part was sown, it is permitted to carry within it. Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua said: We only said that it is permitted to carry if the sown section is not more than two beit se’a, but if it is more than two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry. According to whose opinion was this stated? It was according to the opinion of Rabbi Shimon.

נָטַע רוּבּוֹ — הֲרֵי הוּא כְּחָצֵר, וּמוּתָּר. אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר אֲבִימִי: וְהוּא שֶׁעֲשׂוּיִין אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת. וְרַב נַחְמָן אָמַר: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין עֲשׂוּיִין אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת.

It was stated earlier that if the greater part of the karpef was planted with trees, it is considered like a courtyard, and it is permitted to carry. Rav Yehuda said that Avimi said: This is only if the trees were planted in rows [itztablaot], the customary manner of planting ornamental trees in a courtyard. But if they were arranged differently it is considered an orchard, which is not made for dwelling, and where it is prohibited to carry. But Rav Naḥman said: This applies even if they were not planted in rows, as people commonly plant trees in any arrangement in the courtyards of their houses.

מָר יְהוּדָה אִקְּלַע לְבֵי רַב הוּנָא בַּר יְהוּדָה. חֲזַנְהוּ לְהָנְהוּ דְּלָא עֲבִידִי אִצְטַבְּלָאוֹת, וְקָא מְטַלְטְלִי בְּגַוַּיְיהוּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא סָבַר לַהּ מָר לְהָא דַּאֲבִימִי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא כְּרַב נַחְמָן סְבִירָא לִי.

Mar Yehuda happened to come to the house of Rav Huna bar Yehuda, where he saw certain trees that were not planted in rows, and people were nevertheless carrying among them. Mar Yehuda said to Rav Huna: Doesn’t the Master hold in accordance with this opinion of Avimi? Rav Huna said to him: I hold like the opinion of Rav Naḥman, that it is permitted to carry even if the trees are not planted in rows.

אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁלֹּא הוּקַּף לְדִירָה, כֵּיצַד הוּא עוֹשֶׂה? פּוֹרֵץ בּוֹ פִּירְצָה יוֹתֵר מֵעֶשֶׂר, וְגוֹדְרוֹ וּמַעֲמִידוֹ עַל עֶשֶׂר, וּמוּתָּר.

Rav Naḥman said that Shmuel said: With regard to a karpef that is greater than two beit se’a, and which was not enclosed from the outset for the purpose of residence, what should one do if he wishes to carry within it? He should make a breach in the fence larger than ten cubits, which nullifies the partition, and then fence it off and reduce the opening to only ten cubits, which thereby creates an entrance. He is then permitted to carry in the karpef, because it is now regarded as having been enclosed for the purpose of residence.

אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: פָּרַץ אַמָּה וְגָדַר אַמָּה [וּפָרַץ אַמָּה וּגְדָרָהּ], עַד שֶׁהִשְׁלִימוֹ לְיוֹתֵר מֵעֶשֶׂר, מַהוּ?

The Gemara raises a dilemma: If he did not make the breach at once, but rather he breached one cubit and fenced off that same cubit, and then breached another cubit and fenced it off, until he completed the breaching and fencing off of more than ten cubits, what is the law?

אֲמַר לֵיהּ, לָאו הַיְינוּ דִּתְנַן: כׇּל כְּלֵי בַּעֲלֵי בָתִּים, שִׁיעוּרָן כְּרִמּוֹנִים.

He said to him: Is this not as we learned in a mishna: All ritually impure wooden utensils belonging to ordinary homeowners become ritually pure through breaking the utensil, if they have holes the size of pomegranates.

וּבָעֵי חִזְקִיָּה: נִיקַּב כְּמוֹצִיא זַיִת וּסְתָמוֹ, וְחָזַר וְנִיקַּב כְּמוֹצִיא זַיִת וּסְתָמוֹ, עַד שֶׁהִשְׁלִימוֹ לְמוֹצִיא רִמּוֹן מַהוּ?

And Ḥizkiya raised a dilemma: If a utensil was perforated with a hole large enough for an olive to emerge, and he sealed it, and then it was perforated again with a hole large enough for an olive to emerge, and he sealed it again, and this went on until the holes together completed a space large enough for a pomegranate to emerge, what is the halakha? In other words, is the ruling that because the sum of all the holes is the size of a pomegranate the utensil is pure, or is the ruling that it remains ritually impure because each hole was filled before the next hole was formed?

וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: רַבִּי, שָׁנִיתָה לָנוּ: סַנְדָּל שֶׁנִּפְסְקָה אַחַת מֵאׇזְנָיו וְתִיקְּנָהּ — טָמֵא מִדְרָס.

Rabbi Yoḥanan his student said to him: Master, you taught us that with regard to a sandal that became ritually impure by impurity imparted by the treading of a zav, and one of its ears, i.e., straps, broke and he repaired it, it remains ritually impure with impurity imparted by treading [midras] and can still render people and utensils ritually impure. If one of a sandal’s straps is torn, it can still be used as a sandal, and therefore it does not lose its status as a utensil.

נִפְסְקָה שְׁנִיָּה וְתִיקְּנָהּ — טָהוֹר בָּהּ מִן הַמִּדְרָס, אֲבָל טָמֵא מַגַּע מִדְרָס.

If the second ear broke and he repaired it, it is ritually pure in the sense that it no longer renders other objects ritually impure as would a vessel that became a primary source of ritual impurity by means of impurity imparted by treading. However, the sandal itself is ritually impure due to contact with an object that became ritually impure with impurity imparted by treading, i.e., the sandal before its second strap ripped. Therefore, it can transmit ritual impurity to food and liquids.

וַאֲמַרְתְּ עֲלַהּ: מַאי שְׁנָא רִאשׁוֹנָה — דְּהָא קָיְימָא שְׁנִיָּה? שְׁנִיָּה נָמֵי — הָא קָיְימָא רִאשׁוֹנָה?!

And you said about this halakha: What is different in a case where the first ear breaks, that the sandal remains impure? It is because the second one is intact. However, when the second ear breaks, the first ear is intact; so how does the sandal lose its utensil status?

וַאֲמַרְתְּ לַן עֲלַהּ: פָּנִים חֲדָשׁוֹת בָּאוּ לְכָאן. הָכָא נָמֵי, פָּנִים חֲדָשׁוֹת בָּאוּ לְכָאן.

And then you said to us with regard to this that the reason it is no longer a utensil is because a new entity has arrived here. The legal status of the sandal with the two repaired ears is not that of the original sandal; it is a new sandal. Here, too, with regard to a utensil that was perforated several times, where the sum of all the holes adds up to the size of a pomegranate, let us say that a new entity has arrived here, as the entire area of the hole is completely new, and the utensil is no longer the same utensil that had been ritually impure.

קָרֵי עֲלֵיהּ: לֵית דֵּין בַּר אִינָשׁ. אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי: כְּגוֹן דֵּין בַּר נַשׁ.

Ḥizkiya was so impressed by Rabbi Yoḥanan’s comment that he exclaimed about him: This is not a human being; rather, he is an angel, as he is capable of resolving a problem that I struggle with, from something that I myself taught. Some say that he said: This is an ideal human being. This parallel analysis teaches that if one breached one cubit and fenced it off, breached another cubit and fenced it off, and continued this way until he breached and fenced off more than ten cubits, then this is effective, and he need not breach more than ten meters at once.

אָמַר רַב כָּהֲנָא: רְחָבָה שֶׁאֲחוֹרֵי הַבָּתִּים — אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בּוֹ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע אַמּוֹת.

Rav Kahana said: A fenced-in yard located behind a group of houses, which is used to store objects not in regular use and which measures more than two beit se’a, is not treated as a full-fledged private domain. Therefore, inside it, one may carry objects a distance of only four cubits.

וְאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אִם פָּתַח לוֹ פֶּתַח — מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלּוֹ, פֶּתַח מַתִּירוֹ. וְלָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא שֶׁפָּתַח וּלְבַסּוֹף הוּקַּף, אֲבָל הוּקַּף וּלְבַסּוֹף פָּתַח — לָא.

Rav Naḥman said: If one opened an entrance to it from the house, it is permitted to carry throughout the entire area, because the entrance permits it, allowing it to be considered as part of the house. And we stated this allowance only where he opened the entrance and afterward fenced in the area; but if he first fenced it in and only afterward opened the entrance, he may not carry throughout the yard.

פָּתַח וּלְבַסּוֹף הוּקַּף פְּשִׁיטָא! לָא צְרִיכָא, דְּאִית בֵּיהּ בֵּי דָרֵי. מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: אַדַּעְתָּא דְּבֵי דָרֵי עַבְדֵיהּ. קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

The Gemara raises a difficulty: If he first opened the entrance and afterward fenced in the area, it is obvious that it is permitted to carry throughout the yard, because it is clear that the area was enclosed for the entrance, i.e., in order to use it from the house. The Gemara answers: This ruling is necessary only in the case where there is a threshing floor in the yard. This is because you might have said that he made the entrance with the threshing floor in mind, and not so that he would be able to use the entire yard. He therefore comes and teaches us that the entrance renders it permitted to carry in the yard in all cases.

קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁהוּקַּף לְדִירָה וְנִתְמַלֵּא מַיִם, סְבוּר רַבָּנַן לְמֵימַר כִּזְרָעִים דָּמוּ — וַאֲסִיר.

The Gemara considers a new case: With regard to a karpef measuring more than two beit se’a, which had been enclosed for the purpose of residence but became filled with water, by floods or any other cause, the Rabbis thought to say that the water is considered like seeds. This means that the karpef is regarded as if it were sown with seeds, so that it is prohibited to carry. It is no longer considered as having been enclosed for the purpose of dwelling, since it is not normal to live in a place filled with water.

אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב אַבָּא אֲבוּהּ דְּרַב בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב מְשַׁרְשְׁיָא: הָכִי אָמְרִינַן מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבָא: מַיִם כִּנְטָעִים דָּמוּ, וּשְׁרֵי.

Rav Abba, father of Rav, son of Rav Mesharshiya, said: We say in the name of Rava as follows: Water is considered like planted trees, so that one is permitted to carry. A courtyard filled with water is still suitable for dwelling, since the water benefits the residents of the courtyard.

אָמַר אַמֵּימָר: וְהוּא דְּחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא, אֲבָל לָא חַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא — לָא.

Ameimar said: This ruling applies only if the water is fit for its regular use, i.e., for drinking, because in that case it provides for the needs of residence. However, if the water is not fit for use, then it is not considered like planted trees. Therefore, the karpef is no longer considered enclosed for the purpose of residence, and it is prohibited to carry in the karpef.

אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: וּדְחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא נָמֵי לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא שֶׁאֵין בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל אִם יֵשׁ בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר.

Rav Ashi said: And even where the water is fit for use, this ruling applies only if the water is not ten handbreadths deep over an area greater than two beit se’a; but if the water is ten handbreadths deep over an area greater than two beit se’a, it is prohibited to carry in it, as in such a case the karpef is no longer considered enclosed for the sake of dwelling.

וְלָאו מִילְּתָא הִיא, מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה אַכַּרְיָא דְפֵירֵי.

The Gemara comments: And it is not so, just as it is in the case of a pile of fruit, as even if the pile of fruit is very large, the karpef does not lose its status as having been enclosed for the purpose of residence.

הָהִיא רְחָבָה דַּהֲוַאי בְּפוּם נַהֲרָא, דְּחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לְמָתָא, וְחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, וּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים הֲוָה סָלֵיק לְגוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא.

The Gemara relates: There was a certain yard in the town of Pum Nahara that was larger than two beit se’a and that had not been enclosed for the purpose of residence. One of its sides opened to an alleyway in the town, and the other opened to a walled path between the vineyards, and that vineyard path led to the bank of a river ten handbreadths high, which is considered a partition.

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הֵיכִי נַעֲבֵיד? לַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ מְחִיצָה אַגּוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא — אֵין עוֹשִׂין מְחִיצָה עַל גַּבֵּי מְחִיצָה.

Abaye said: What shall we do to permit carrying in the yard, which is a karmelit, without having to make a breach in one of its walls wider than ten cubits and then fence it up again? Shall we construct a partition for it on the river bank, so that the vineyard path is surrounded by partitions on all sides? This is not a viable solution, as one cannot construct an effective partition on top of another partition that already exists, and the river bank is considered a partition relative to the river.

וְלַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ צוּרַת הַפֶּתַח אַפּוּמָּא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים — אָתוּ גַּמְלֵי שָׁדְיָין לֵיהּ.

Shall we arrange a doorframe at the mouth of the vineyard path? That is also not an effective solution in this case, for the camels that walk down this path in order to drink water from the river will come and knock it over.

אֶלָּא אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לֶיעְבֵּיד לֶחִי אַפִּיתְחָא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנְיָא לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, מְהַנֵּי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

Rather, Abaye said: We should arrange a side post at the opening of the vineyard path to the yard, since as it is effective for the vineyard path, to allow one to carry on the path, as it is no longer breached into a karmelit, it is also effective for the yard, and the side post will be considered an additional partition that renders it permitted to carry in the yard.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: יֹאמְרוּ לֶחִי מוֹעִיל לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים דְּעָלְמָא.

Rava said to him: If so, people will say that a side post is effective in permitting one to carry in a vineyard path generally, and this will cause the public to err, as vineyard paths are usually open at both ends and do not lead to a river or the like.

אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: עָבְדִינַן לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְפִיתְחָא דְמָתָא, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנֵי לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְמָתָא, מַהְנֵי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

Rather, Rava said: They should arrange a side post at the opening of the yard to the town, as since the side post is effective and is considered a partition for the town, it is also effective for the yard, to permit one to carry within it.

הִלְכָּךְ: טַלְטוֹלֵי בְּמָתָא גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. טַלְטוֹלֵי בִּרְחָבָה גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. מִמָּתָא לִרְחָבָה וּמֵרְחָבָה לְמָתָא, פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא: חַד אָסַר וְחַד שָׁרֵי.

Therefore, in summary, it is permitted to carry within the town itself and to carry within the yard itself. However, with regard to carrying from the town to the yard or from the yard to the town, Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree: One prohibits doing so and the other permits it.

Want to follow content and continue where you left off?

Create an account today to track your progress, mark what you’ve learned, and follow the shiurim that speak to you.

Clear all items from this list?

This will remove ALL the items in this section. You will lose any progress or history connected to them. This is irreversible.

Cancel
Yes, clear all

Are you sure you want to delete this item?

You will lose any progress or history connected to this item.

Cancel
Yes, delete