Search

Nedarim 82

Want to dedicate learning? Get started here:

English
עברית
podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




podcast placeholder

0:00
0:00




Summary

Today’s daf is sponsored by Shaindy Kurzmann in loving memory of her mother A”H, Rivkah bat HaRav Simcha Bunim, on her 24th yahrzeit. “With deep appreciation for her encouragement to always keep learning.”

Rava asks Rav Nachman if, according to the rabbis, a vow to refrain from sexual relations is considered an affliction of the soul or something that affects the relationship between the husband and wife. Rav Nachman tries to answer it from a Mishna that appears later in our chapter, but Rava rejects the proof based on Rav Huna’s assertion that the rest of the chapter is all Rabbi Yosi’s opinion. Shmuel says in the name of Levi that if a woman forbids herself from someone in particular the husband can nullify the vow. Two difficulties are raised against this from cases in our Mishna which seem very similar, yet the husband can nullify them. An answer is brought but is rejected. In the end, the answer is that the Mishna is Rabbi Yosi’s opinion and Levi held by the rabbis. Shmuel and Rabbi Yochanan disagree about a case where a woman vowed not to eat two loaves and refraining from eating one was considered affliction for her, but the other was not. One says that he nullifies the entire vow and the other says he only nullifies the one that was considered affliction.

Today’s daily daf tools:

Nedarim 82

יָפֵר חֶלְקוֹ, וּמְשַׁמַּשְׁתּוֹ, וּתְהֵא נְטוּלָה מִן הַיְּהוּדִים. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ נֶדֶר עִנּוּי נֶפֶשׁ הָוֵי, אַמַּאי תְּהֵא נְטוּלָה מִן הַיְּהוּדִים? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ דְּבָרִים שֶׁבֵּינוֹ לְבֵינָהּ הָוַיִין.

her husband must nullify his part, i.e., the part of the vow that affects him, so that she will be permitted to him, and she may engage in intercourse with him, but she is removed from all other Jews, so that if he divorces her, she is forbidden to everyone. And if you say that this is a vow of affliction, why should she be removed from all other Jews? Wasn’t it already established that when a husband nullifies a vow of affliction for his wife, he nullifies it not only with respect to himself but with respect to others as well? Rather, learn from here that such vows are under the category of matters that adversely affect the relationship between him and her, and therefore he can nullify it only with respect to himself.

לְרַבָּנַן תִּבְּעֵי לָךְ, מִשּׁוּם דִּ״נְטוּלָה אֲנִי מִן הַיְּהוּדִים״ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי קָתָנֵי לַהּ, דְּאָמַר רַב הוּנָא: כּוּלֵּיהּ פִּירְקִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. מִמַּאי — כֵּיוָן דְּקָתָנֵי: רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר אֵין אֵלּוּ נִדְרֵי עִינּוּי נֶפֶשׁ, לְמָה לֵיהּ תּוּ לְמִיתְנֵא ״הֲרֵי זֶה יָפֵר, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי״? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: מִכָּאן וְאֵילָךְ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא.

The Gemara notes: According to the Rabbis, you still have the dilemma, because the mishna dealing with a woman who says: I am removed from the Jews, was taught by Rabbi Yosei. As Rav Huna said: Our entire chapter is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. From where do we know this? Since the mishna teaches: Rabbi Yosei says that these are not vows of affliction, why does it need to teach further, at the end of the mishna: He can nullify the vow; this is the statement of Rabbi Yosei? Learn from this that from this point forward, the rest of the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. Accordingly, this mishna teaches us only the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, not that of the Rabbis.

אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּלֵוִי: כׇּל נְדָרִים בַּעַל מֵפֵר לְאִשְׁתּוֹ, חוּץ מִן ״הֲנָאָתִי עַל פְּלוֹנִי״, שֶׁאֵינוֹ מֵפֵר. אֲבָל ״הֲנָאַת פְּלוֹנִי עָלַי״ — מֵפֵר.

§ Shmuel said in the name of Levi: A husband can nullify all vows of affliction for his wife, except for the vow: Benefit from me is konam for so-and-so, which he cannot nullify, as it is entirely between her and another person. But if she says: Benefit derived from so-and-so is konam for me, he can nullify the vow, as it considered a vow of affliction, since she might one day need that person and be unable to avail herself of his services due to her vow.

תְּנַן: ״פֵּירוֹת מְדִינָה זוֹ עָלַי״ — יָבִיא לָהּ מִמְּדִינָה אַחֶרֶת, אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף: דְּקָאָמְרָה שֶׁתָּבִיא.

The Gemara raises an objection from that which we learned in the mishna: If she said: The produce of this country is konam for me, he cannot nullify the vow, as it does not involve affliction, since he can still bring her produce from another country. This vow is similar to a vow by which she prohibits herself from deriving benefit from another person. Why, then, does Shmuel say that the husband cannot nullify it? Rav Yosef said: The mishna is referring to a woman who said in her vow: That you bring. In other words, she did not prohibit herself from deriving benefit from the produce of that country entirely, but only from the produce that her husband himself would bring her. She may still enjoy that produce if it is brought to her by someone else or if she brings it for herself.

תָּא שְׁמַע: ״פֵּירוֹת חֶנְוָנִי זֶה עָלַי״ — אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר. הָכָא נָמֵי דְּקָא אָמְרָה שֶׁתָּבִיא אַתָּה.

The Gemara raises another objection from the next clause of the mishna: Come and hear: If the woman took a vow saying: The produce of this storekeeper is konam for me, her husband cannot nullify the vow. But didn’t Shmuel say that if a woman prohibits herself from benefiting from a certain person, her husband can nullify the vow? The Gemara answers: Here too, the mishna is referring to a case where she said in her vow: The produce that you bring from this storekeeper is konam for me.

לֹא הָיְתָה פַּרְנָסָתוֹ אֶלָּא מִמֶּנּוּ — הֲרֵי זֶה יָפֵר. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ דְּקָא אָמְרָה שֶׁ״תָּבִיא אַתָּה״, אַמַּאי יָפֵר? אֶלָּא מִדְּסֵיפָא דְּלָא מַיְיתֵי בַּעַל הָוֵי, רֵישָׁא דְּקָא מַיְיתָא הִיא!

The Gemara questions this resolution: But the continuation of the mishna states: But if the husband can obtain his sustenance only from him, i.e., that particular storekeeper, he can nullify his wife’s vow. And if you say that this is referring to a case where the woman said in her vow: The fruit that you bring from this storekeeper is konam for me, why can the husband nullify her vow? Other people can bring her the fruit on his behalf. Rather, from the fact that the latter clause of the mishna must be dealing with a case where the woman renders all fruit forbidden to herself, even that which the husband does not bring her, the first clause must also refer to a case where the woman renders forbidden even the fruit that she herself brings, and nevertheless the husband cannot nullify the vow. Therefore, the objection raised against Shmuel remains.

אֶלָּא: רֵישָׁא אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר, וּדְקָא מַיְיתָא הִיא.

Rather, the Gemara retracts its previous answer and explains the matter as follows: In the first clause the husband cannot nullify his wife’s vow, and the case is one where she renders forbidden even the fruit that she herself brings.

וּמַתְנִיתִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. דְּאָמַר רַב הוּנָא: כּוּלֵּיהּ פִּרְקִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. וּמַאי ״אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר״, מִשּׁוּם עִינּוּי נֶפֶשׁ, אֲבָל מֵפֵר נְדָרִים שֶׁבֵּינוֹ לְבֵינָהּ.

And the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, who is more restrictive in his definition of affliction. As Rav Huna said: Our entire chapter is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. Shmuel, on the other hand, rules in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis. And what does Rabbi Yosei mean when he says that the husband cannot nullify his wife’s vows? He means that he cannot nullify them as vows of affliction, but he can nullify them as vows that adversely affect the relationship between him and her.

אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: נָדְרָה מִשְׁתֵּי כִכָּרוֹת, בְּאַחַת מִתְעַנָּה, וּבְאַחַת אֵין מִתְעַנָּה, מִתּוֹךְ שֶׁהוּא מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה — מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵינוֹ מִתְעַנָּה. וְרַב אַסִּי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה, וְאֵין מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵין מִתְעַנָּה.

§ Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: In a case where a woman vowed that two loaves are forbidden to her, and if she abstains from one of them she would deprive herself, as it is a fine-quality loaf, and if she abstains from the other one she would not deprive herself, as it is a poor-quality loaf, then, since the husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, like any other vow of affliction, he can also nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself. And Rav Asi said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, but he cannot nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself.

וְאִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי, בְּעָא מִינֵּיהּ רַב אַסִּי מֵרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: נָדְרָה מִשְׁתֵּי כִכָּרוֹת, בְּאַחַת מִתְעַנָּה וּבְאַחַת אֵין מִתְעַנָּה, מַהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה וְאֵין מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵין מִתְעַנָּה.

And some say a different version of this dispute, according to which Rav Asi raised a dilemma before Rabbi Yoḥanan: In a case where a woman vowed not to eat from two loaves of bread, and if she abstains from one of them she would deprive herself, and if she abstains from the other one she would not deprive herself, what is the halakha? Rabbi Yoḥanan said to him: The husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, but he cannot nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself.

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ: הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁנָּדְרָה בְּנָזִיר, וְהָיְתָה שׁוֹתֶה יַיִן, וּמִטַּמְּאָה לְמֵתִים

Rav Asi raised an objection against Rabbi Yoḥanan from the following mishna (Nazir 23a): With regard to a woman who vowed to be a nazirite, and she transgressed her vow and drank wine or became impure by coming into contact with the dead,

Today’s daily daf tools:

Delve Deeper

Broaden your understanding of the topics on this daf with classes and podcasts from top women Talmud scholars.

For the Beyond the Daf shiurim offered in Hebrew, see here.

New to Talmud?

Check out our resources designed to help you navigate a page of Talmud – and study at the pace, level and style that fits you. 

The Hadran Women’s Tapestry

Meet the diverse women learning Gemara at Hadran and hear their stories. 

Years ago, I attended the local Siyum HaShas with my high school class. It was inspiring! Through that cycle and the next one, I studied masekhtot on my own and then did “daf yomi practice.” The amazing Hadran Siyum HaShas event firmed my resolve to “really do” Daf Yomi this time. It has become a family goal. We’ve supported each other through challenges, and now we’re at the Siyum of Seder Moed!

Elisheva Brauner
Elisheva Brauner

Jerusalem, Israel

“I got my job through the NY Times” was an ad campaign when I was growing up. I can headline “I got my daily Daf shiur and Hadran through the NY Times”. I read the January 4, 2020 feature on Reb. Michelle Farber and Hadran and I have been participating ever since. Thanks NY Times & Hadran!
Deborah Aschheim
Deborah Aschheim

New York, United States

In January 2020 on a Shabbaton to Baltimore I heard about the new cycle of Daf Yomi after the siyum celebration in NYC stadium. I started to read “ a daily dose of Talmud “ and really enjoyed it . It led me to google “ do Orthodox women study Talmud? “ and found HADRAN! Since then I listen to the podcast every morning, participate in classes and siyum. I love to learn, this is amazing! Thank you

Sandrine Simons
Sandrine Simons

Atlanta, United States

Hearing and reading about the siyumim at the completion of the 13 th cycle Daf Yomi asked our shul rabbi about starting the Daf – he directed me to another shiur in town he thought would allow a woman to join, and so I did! Love seeing the sources for the Divrei Torah I’ve been hearing for the past decades of living an observant life and raising 5 children .

Jill Felder
Jill Felder

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States

A few years back, after reading Ilana Kurshan’s book, “If All The Seas Were Ink,” I began pondering the crazy, outlandish idea of beginning the Daf Yomi cycle. Beginning in December, 2019, a month before the previous cycle ended, I “auditioned” 30 different podcasts in 30 days, and ultimately chose to take the plunge with Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle. Such joy!

Cindy Dolgin
Cindy Dolgin

HUNTINGTON, United States

My husband learns Daf, my son learns Daf, my son-in-law learns Daf.
When I read about Hadran’s Siyyum HaShas 2 years ago, I thought- I can learn Daf too!
I had learned Gemara in Hillel HS in NJ, & I remembered loving it.
Rabbanit Michelle & Hadran have opened my eyes & expanding my learning so much in the past few years. We can now discuss Gemara as a family.
This was a life saver during Covid

Renee Braha
Renee Braha

Brooklyn, NY, United States

I began learning the daf in January 2022. I initially “flew under the radar,” sharing my journey with my husband and a few close friends. I was apprehensive – who, me? Gemara? Now, 2 years in, I feel changed. The rigor of a daily commitment frames my days. The intellectual engagement enhances my knowledge. And the virtual community of learners has become a new family, weaving a glorious tapestry.

Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld
Gitta Jaroslawicz-Neufeld

Far Rockaway, United States

I started learning Daf Yomi in January 2020 after watching my grandfather, Mayer Penstein z”l, finish shas with the previous cycle. My grandfather made learning so much fun was so proud that his grandchildren wanted to join him. I was also inspired by Ilana Kurshan’s book, If All the Seas Were Ink. Two years in, I can say that it has enriched my life in so many ways.

Leeza Hirt Wilner
Leeza Hirt Wilner

New York, United States

I began Daf Yomi with the last cycle. I was inspired by the Hadran Siyum in Yerushalayim to continue with this cycle. I have learned Daf Yomi with Rabanit Michelle in over 25 countries on 6 continents ( missing Australia)

Barbara-Goldschlag
Barbara Goldschlag

Silver Spring, MD, United States

Robin Zeiger
Robin Zeiger

Tel Aviv, Israel

I began my journey with Rabbanit Michelle more than five years ago. My friend came up with a great idea for about 15 of us to learn the daf and one of us would summarize weekly what we learned.
It was fun but after 2-3 months people began to leave. I have continued. Since the cycle began Again I have joined the Teaneck women.. I find it most rewarding in so many ways. Thank you

Dena Heller
Dena Heller

New Jersey, United States

I had no formal learning in Talmud until I began my studies in the Joint Program where in 1976 I was one of the few, if not the only, woman talmud major. It was superior training for law school and enabled me to approach my legal studies with a foundation . In 2018, I began daf yomi listening to Rabbanit MIchelle’s pod cast and my daily talmud studies are one of the highlights of my life.

Krivosha_Terri_Bio
Terri Krivosha

Minneapolis, United States

3 years ago, I joined Rabbanit Michelle to organize the unprecedented Siyum HaShas event in Jerusalem for thousands of women. The whole experience was so inspiring that I decided then to start learning the daf and see how I would go…. and I’m still at it. I often listen to the Daf on my bike in mornings, surrounded by both the external & the internal beauty of Eretz Yisrael & Am Yisrael!

Lisa Kolodny
Lisa Kolodny

Raanana, Israel

I am grateful for the structure of the Daf Yomi. When I am freer to learn to my heart’s content, I learn other passages in addition. But even in times of difficulty, I always know that I can rely on the structure and social support of Daf Yomi learners all over the world.

I am also grateful for this forum. It is very helpful to learn with a group of enthusiastic and committed women.

Janice Block-2
Janice Block

Beit Shemesh, Israel

When we heard that R. Michelle was starting daf yomi, my 11-year-old suggested that I go. Little did she know that she would lose me every morning from then on. I remember standing at the Farbers’ door, almost too shy to enter. After that first class, I said that I would come the next day but couldn’t commit to more. A decade later, I still look forward to learning from R. Michelle every morning.

Ruth Leah Kahan
Ruth Leah Kahan

Ra’anana, Israel

See video

Susan Fisher
Susan Fisher

Raanana, Israel

My Daf journey began in August 2012 after participating in the Siyum Hashas where I was blessed as an “enabler” of others.  Galvanized into my own learning I recited the Hadran on Shas in January 2020 with Rabbanit Michelle. That Siyum was a highlight in my life.  Now, on round two, Daf has become my spiritual anchor to which I attribute manifold blessings.

Rina Goldberg
Rina Goldberg

Englewood NJ, United States

It’s hard to believe it has been over two years. Daf yomi has changed my life in so many ways and has been sustaining during this global sea change. Each day means learning something new, digging a little deeper, adding another lens, seeing worlds with new eyes. Daf has also fostered new friendships and deepened childhood connections, as long time friends have unexpectedly become havruta.

Joanna Rom
Joanna Rom

Northwest Washington, United States

I decided to give daf yomi a try when I heard about the siyum hashas in 2020. Once the pandemic hit, the daily commitment gave my days some much-needed structure. There have been times when I’ve felt like quitting- especially when encountering very technical details in the text. But then I tell myself, “Look how much you’ve done. You can’t stop now!” So I keep going & my Koren bookshelf grows…

Miriam Eckstein-Koas
Miriam Eckstein-Koas

Huntington, United States

I tried Daf Yomi in the middle of the last cycle after realizing I could listen to Michelle’s shiurim online. It lasted all of 2 days! Then the new cycle started just days before my father’s first yahrzeit and my youngest daughter’s bat mitzvah. It seemed the right time for a new beginning. My family, friends, colleagues are immensely supportive!

Catriella-Freedman-jpeg
Catriella Freedman

Zichron Yaakov, Israel

Nedarim 82

יָפֵר חֶלְקוֹ, וּמְשַׁמַּשְׁתּוֹ, וּתְהֵא נְטוּלָה מִן הַיְּהוּדִים. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ נֶדֶר עִנּוּי נֶפֶשׁ הָוֵי, אַמַּאי תְּהֵא נְטוּלָה מִן הַיְּהוּדִים? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ דְּבָרִים שֶׁבֵּינוֹ לְבֵינָהּ הָוַיִין.

her husband must nullify his part, i.e., the part of the vow that affects him, so that she will be permitted to him, and she may engage in intercourse with him, but she is removed from all other Jews, so that if he divorces her, she is forbidden to everyone. And if you say that this is a vow of affliction, why should she be removed from all other Jews? Wasn’t it already established that when a husband nullifies a vow of affliction for his wife, he nullifies it not only with respect to himself but with respect to others as well? Rather, learn from here that such vows are under the category of matters that adversely affect the relationship between him and her, and therefore he can nullify it only with respect to himself.

לְרַבָּנַן תִּבְּעֵי לָךְ, מִשּׁוּם דִּ״נְטוּלָה אֲנִי מִן הַיְּהוּדִים״ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי קָתָנֵי לַהּ, דְּאָמַר רַב הוּנָא: כּוּלֵּיהּ פִּירְקִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. מִמַּאי — כֵּיוָן דְּקָתָנֵי: רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר אֵין אֵלּוּ נִדְרֵי עִינּוּי נֶפֶשׁ, לְמָה לֵיהּ תּוּ לְמִיתְנֵא ״הֲרֵי זֶה יָפֵר, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי״? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: מִכָּאן וְאֵילָךְ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא.

The Gemara notes: According to the Rabbis, you still have the dilemma, because the mishna dealing with a woman who says: I am removed from the Jews, was taught by Rabbi Yosei. As Rav Huna said: Our entire chapter is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. From where do we know this? Since the mishna teaches: Rabbi Yosei says that these are not vows of affliction, why does it need to teach further, at the end of the mishna: He can nullify the vow; this is the statement of Rabbi Yosei? Learn from this that from this point forward, the rest of the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. Accordingly, this mishna teaches us only the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, not that of the Rabbis.

אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּלֵוִי: כׇּל נְדָרִים בַּעַל מֵפֵר לְאִשְׁתּוֹ, חוּץ מִן ״הֲנָאָתִי עַל פְּלוֹנִי״, שֶׁאֵינוֹ מֵפֵר. אֲבָל ״הֲנָאַת פְּלוֹנִי עָלַי״ — מֵפֵר.

§ Shmuel said in the name of Levi: A husband can nullify all vows of affliction for his wife, except for the vow: Benefit from me is konam for so-and-so, which he cannot nullify, as it is entirely between her and another person. But if she says: Benefit derived from so-and-so is konam for me, he can nullify the vow, as it considered a vow of affliction, since she might one day need that person and be unable to avail herself of his services due to her vow.

תְּנַן: ״פֵּירוֹת מְדִינָה זוֹ עָלַי״ — יָבִיא לָהּ מִמְּדִינָה אַחֶרֶת, אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף: דְּקָאָמְרָה שֶׁתָּבִיא.

The Gemara raises an objection from that which we learned in the mishna: If she said: The produce of this country is konam for me, he cannot nullify the vow, as it does not involve affliction, since he can still bring her produce from another country. This vow is similar to a vow by which she prohibits herself from deriving benefit from another person. Why, then, does Shmuel say that the husband cannot nullify it? Rav Yosef said: The mishna is referring to a woman who said in her vow: That you bring. In other words, she did not prohibit herself from deriving benefit from the produce of that country entirely, but only from the produce that her husband himself would bring her. She may still enjoy that produce if it is brought to her by someone else or if she brings it for herself.

תָּא שְׁמַע: ״פֵּירוֹת חֶנְוָנִי זֶה עָלַי״ — אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר. הָכָא נָמֵי דְּקָא אָמְרָה שֶׁתָּבִיא אַתָּה.

The Gemara raises another objection from the next clause of the mishna: Come and hear: If the woman took a vow saying: The produce of this storekeeper is konam for me, her husband cannot nullify the vow. But didn’t Shmuel say that if a woman prohibits herself from benefiting from a certain person, her husband can nullify the vow? The Gemara answers: Here too, the mishna is referring to a case where she said in her vow: The produce that you bring from this storekeeper is konam for me.

לֹא הָיְתָה פַּרְנָסָתוֹ אֶלָּא מִמֶּנּוּ — הֲרֵי זֶה יָפֵר. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ דְּקָא אָמְרָה שֶׁ״תָּבִיא אַתָּה״, אַמַּאי יָפֵר? אֶלָּא מִדְּסֵיפָא דְּלָא מַיְיתֵי בַּעַל הָוֵי, רֵישָׁא דְּקָא מַיְיתָא הִיא!

The Gemara questions this resolution: But the continuation of the mishna states: But if the husband can obtain his sustenance only from him, i.e., that particular storekeeper, he can nullify his wife’s vow. And if you say that this is referring to a case where the woman said in her vow: The fruit that you bring from this storekeeper is konam for me, why can the husband nullify her vow? Other people can bring her the fruit on his behalf. Rather, from the fact that the latter clause of the mishna must be dealing with a case where the woman renders all fruit forbidden to herself, even that which the husband does not bring her, the first clause must also refer to a case where the woman renders forbidden even the fruit that she herself brings, and nevertheless the husband cannot nullify the vow. Therefore, the objection raised against Shmuel remains.

אֶלָּא: רֵישָׁא אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר, וּדְקָא מַיְיתָא הִיא.

Rather, the Gemara retracts its previous answer and explains the matter as follows: In the first clause the husband cannot nullify his wife’s vow, and the case is one where she renders forbidden even the fruit that she herself brings.

וּמַתְנִיתִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. דְּאָמַר רַב הוּנָא: כּוּלֵּיהּ פִּרְקִין רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא. וּמַאי ״אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר״, מִשּׁוּם עִינּוּי נֶפֶשׁ, אֲבָל מֵפֵר נְדָרִים שֶׁבֵּינוֹ לְבֵינָהּ.

And the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, who is more restrictive in his definition of affliction. As Rav Huna said: Our entire chapter is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei. Shmuel, on the other hand, rules in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis. And what does Rabbi Yosei mean when he says that the husband cannot nullify his wife’s vows? He means that he cannot nullify them as vows of affliction, but he can nullify them as vows that adversely affect the relationship between him and her.

אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: נָדְרָה מִשְׁתֵּי כִכָּרוֹת, בְּאַחַת מִתְעַנָּה, וּבְאַחַת אֵין מִתְעַנָּה, מִתּוֹךְ שֶׁהוּא מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה — מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵינוֹ מִתְעַנָּה. וְרַב אַסִּי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה, וְאֵין מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵין מִתְעַנָּה.

§ Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: In a case where a woman vowed that two loaves are forbidden to her, and if she abstains from one of them she would deprive herself, as it is a fine-quality loaf, and if she abstains from the other one she would not deprive herself, as it is a poor-quality loaf, then, since the husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, like any other vow of affliction, he can also nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself. And Rav Asi said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, but he cannot nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself.

וְאִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי, בְּעָא מִינֵּיהּ רַב אַסִּי מֵרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: נָדְרָה מִשְׁתֵּי כִכָּרוֹת, בְּאַחַת מִתְעַנָּה וּבְאַחַת אֵין מִתְעַנָּה, מַהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מֵפֵר לַמִּתְעַנָּה וְאֵין מֵפֵר לְשֶׁאֵין מִתְעַנָּה.

And some say a different version of this dispute, according to which Rav Asi raised a dilemma before Rabbi Yoḥanan: In a case where a woman vowed not to eat from two loaves of bread, and if she abstains from one of them she would deprive herself, and if she abstains from the other one she would not deprive herself, what is the halakha? Rabbi Yoḥanan said to him: The husband can nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would cause her to deprive herself, but he cannot nullify the vow with regard to the loaf that would not cause her to deprive herself.

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ: הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁנָּדְרָה בְּנָזִיר, וְהָיְתָה שׁוֹתֶה יַיִן, וּמִטַּמְּאָה לְמֵתִים

Rav Asi raised an objection against Rabbi Yoḥanan from the following mishna (Nazir 23a): With regard to a woman who vowed to be a nazirite, and she transgressed her vow and drank wine or became impure by coming into contact with the dead,

Want to follow content and continue where you left off?

Create an account today to track your progress, mark what you’ve learned, and follow the shiurim that speak to you.

Clear all items from this list?

This will remove ALL the items in this section. You will lose any progress or history connected to them. This is irreversible.

Cancel
Yes, clear all

Are you sure you want to delete this item?

You will lose any progress or history connected to this item.

Cancel
Yes, delete