Bava Batra 72

ומי מצית מוקמת לה לרבי שמעון כרבי עקיבא והא תניא הקדיש שלשה אילנות ממטע עשרה לבית סאה הרי הקדיש את הקרקע ואת האילנות שביניהם לפיכך כשהוא פודה פודה בית זרע חומר שעורים בחמשים שקל כסף

The Gemara asks: But can you establish that the opinion of Rabbi Shimon is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, that one who sells or consecrates property does so generously? But isn’t it taught in a baraita: If one consecrates three trees in a field where ten trees are planted in an area required for sowing one se’a of seed [beit se’a], he has consecrated not only those trees, but also the land and the young trees between them? Therefore, if this is an ancestral field of his, when he redeems them, he redeems the land and everything contained within it according to the standard rate established by the Torah, whereby an area fit for the sowing of a ḥomer, i.e., a kor, of barley seed is redeemed for fifty silver shekels.

פחות מכאן או יותר על כן או שהקדישן בזה אחר זה הרי זה לא הקדיש לא הקרקע ולא את האילנות שביניהם לפיכך כשהוא פודה פודה את האילנות בשוויהן ולא עוד אלא אפילו הקדיש את האילנות וחזר והקדיש את הקרקע כשהוא פודה פודה את האילנות בשוויהן וחוזר ופודה בית זרע חומר שעורים בחמשים שקל כסף

The baraita continues: If the ratio of land to trees was less than this, and the trees were planted more densely, or if the ratio of land to trees was more than this, and the trees were planted less densely, or if he consecrated each of the trees separately, one after the other, this person has consecrated neither the land nor the young trees between them. Therefore, when he redeems them, he redeems the trees in accordance with their worth. And moreover, even if one consecrates the trees where they are planted more densely, less densely, or one after the other, and then afterward he consecrates the land, so that everything belongs to the Temple treasury, when he redeems them, he redeems the trees separately in accordance with their worth, and then he redeems the land according to the standard rate, where an area fit for the sowing of a ḥomer of barley seed is redeemed for fifty silver shekels.

מני אי רבי עקיבא הא אמר מוכר בעין יפה מוכר וכל שכן מקדיש אי רבנן הא אמרי מוכר הוא דבעין רעה מוכר אבל מקדיש בעין יפה מקדיש אלא פשיטא רבי שמעון היא

The Gemara clarifies: Whose opinion is expressed in the baraita? If it is the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, doesn’t he say that one who sells, sells generously, and all the more so one who consecrates does so generously? This being the case, even if the trees were consecrated one after the other, some of the land should be consecrated along with them. And if the baraita reflects the opinion of the Rabbis, don’t they say in the mishna that it is specifically the seller who sells sparingly, but one who consecrates, consecrates generously, and therefore the pit and the winepress are consecrated along with the field? Therefore, the halakha stated here is not in accordance with their opinion either. Rather, it is obvious that the baraita is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon in the mishna here, that even one who consecrates a field does not consecrate the cistern and the winepress along with it.

ורבי שמעון אליבא דמאן אי אליבא דרבי עקיבא הא אמר מוכר בעין יפה מוכר וכל שכן מקדיש אלא פשיטא אליבא דרבנן וקא סבר רבי שמעון כי היכי דמוכר בעין רעה מוכר מקדיש נמי בעין רעה מקדיש ומשייר ארעא

And the opinion of Rabbi Shimon is in accordance with the opinion of whom? If it is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, doesn’t he say that one who sells, sells generously, and all the more so one who consecrates does so generously? Rather, it is obvious that his opinion is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, who disagree with Rabbi Akiva and say that one who sells, sells sparingly. And Rabbi Shimon disagrees with the Rabbis insofar as he himself holds that just as one who sells, sells sparingly, one who consecrates also consecrates sparingly and retains the land around the trees for himself.

ואלא קשיא הואיל ויונקין משדה הקדש

The Gemara concludes stating the difficulty: But this is difficult, as Rabbi Shimon himself said that the grafted carob tree and the sycamore trunk are consecrated along with the field since they draw their nutrients from a consecrated field, indicating that one who consecrates acts generously and does not retain the land around the trees for himself.

אלא רבי שמעון לדבריהם דרבנן קאמר להו לדידי כי היכי דמוכר בעין רעה מוכר מקדיש נמי בעין רעה מקדיש ושיורי משייר לדידכו אודו לי מיהא דלא הקדיש אלא חרוב המורכב וסדן השקמה ואמרי ליה רבנן לא שנא

The Gemara explains: Rather, it must be understood that when Rabbi Shimon stated his ruling in the mishna, he was not expressing his own opinion. Rather, he was speaking to the Rabbis in accordance with their statement, and he meant to say: According to my opinion, just as one who sells, sells sparingly, so too, one who consecrates, consecrates sparingly and retains for himself land to nurture the trees. Therefore, when one consecrates a field, even the sycamore and carob tree are not consecrated along with it. But according to your opinion, that one who consecrates does so generously, agree with me at least that one who consecrates a field has consecrated only the grafted carob and the sycamore trunk, because they draw nutrients from consecrated ground, but he has not consecrated the other items that are not integral parts of the field. And the Rabbis said to him: There is no difference between the two in this regard. Since one who consecrates an item does so generously, everything found in the field is consecrated.

במאי אוקימתא לה כרבי שמעון אימא סיפא ולא עוד אלא אפילו הקדיש את האילנות וחזר והקדיש את הקרקע כשהוא פודה פודה את האילנות בשוייהן וחוזר ופודה בית זרע חומר שעורים בחמשים שקל כסף

The Gemara returns to the baraita that it had concluded was taught according to the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, and asks: In accordance with which opinion did you interpret the baraita discussing consecrated property? It was interpreted in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon. But say the last clause: And moreover, even if one consecrates the trees and then afterward he consecrates the land, when he redeems them, he redeems the trees separately in accordance with their worth, and then he redeems the land according to the standard rate, where an area fit for the sowing of a ḥomer of barley seed is redeemed for fifty silver shekels.

ואי רבי שמעון ליזיל בתר פדיון וניפרקו אגב ארעייהו דהא שמעינן ליה לרבי שמעון דאזיל בתר פדיון

And if the baraita is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, let him follow the character of the field at the time of its redemption, and so the trees should be redeemed along with their land, as at the time of the redemption both the trees and the land are consecrated. As we have already heard that Rabbi Shimon follows the time of the redemption, i.e., he determines the price at which a field is redeemed based on the time it is being redeemed.

דתניא מנין ללוקח שדה מאביו והקדישה ואחר כך מת אביו מנין שתהא לפניו כשדה אחוזה תלמוד לומר ואם את שדה מקנתו אשר לא משדה אחזתו שדה שאין ראויה להיות שדה אחוזה יצתה זו שראויה להיות שדה אחוזה דברי רבי יהודה ורבי שמעון

As it is taught in a baraita: From where is it derived that with regard to one who purchases a field from his father and consecrates it, and afterward his father dies, so the field would now be considered his as an inheritance, from where is it derived that with regard to its redemption it should be considered before him as an ancestral field and not a field that he purchased? The verse states about a field that was purchased: “And if he sanctifies to the Lord a field that he has bought, which is not of his ancestral fields” (Leviticus 27:22). The verse speaks specifically of a field that is not fit at the time of its consecration to be an ancestral field, meaning that he never could have inherited it in the future. This specification excludes this field that was fit to be an ancestral field from this halakha, since eventually it would have become his through inheritance, even had he not purchased it. This is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon.

רבי מאיר אומר מנין ללוקח שדה מאביו ומת אביו ואחר כך הקדיש מנין שתהא לפניו כשדה אחוזה תלמוד לומר ואם את שדה מקנתו אשר לא משדה אחזתו שדה שאינה שדה אחוזה יצתה זו שהיא שדה אחוזה

The baraita continues: Rabbi Meir learns a different halakha from this verse, and he says: From where is it derived that in the case of one who purchases a field from his father, and his father dies, and afterward he consecrates the field, from where is it derived that it should be considered before him like an ancestral field? The verse states: “And if he sanctifies to the Lord a field that he has bought, which is not of his ancestral fields.” The verse refers specifically to a field that is not now an ancestral field at the time of its consecration. This specification excludes this field, as after the death of the father, it is an ancestral field.

ואילו רבי יהודה ורבי שמעון היכא דמת אביו ואחר כך הקדישה לא צריכי קרא כי אצטריך קרא היכא דהקדישה ואחר כך מת אביו

But according to Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon, a verse is not required to teach that, in a case where his father dies and afterward he consecrates the field, it is considered to be an ancestral field, as this is obvious. A verse is required only to teach the halakha in a case where he consecrates the field after having bought it, and afterward his father dies.

מנא להו אי מהאי קרא אימא לכדרבי מאיר הוא דאתא אלא לאו משום דאזלי בתר פדיון

The Gemara asks: From where do Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon arrive at this conclusion? If they derive it only from this verse, you can say that the verse came to be interpreted in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir, as opposed to the opinions of Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon, as there is no clear proof from the verse to support either opinion. Rather, is it not due to the fact that they follow the time of the redemption, and at the time of the redemption the father is dead, and the field is the son’s ancestral field that is currently in the possession of the Temple treasury?

אמר רב נחמן בר יצחק לעולם בעלמא רבי יהודה ורבי שמעון לא אזלי בתר פדיון והכא קרא אשכחו ודרוש אם כן לכתוב קרא ואם את שדה מקנתו אשר לא אחוזתו אי נמי שדה אחוזתו מאי אשר לא משדה אחזתו את שאינה ראויה להיות שדה אחוזה יצתה זו שראויה להיות שדה אחוזה

Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak says: Actually, I can say to you that generally speaking, Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon do not follow the time of the redemption, and therefore their ruling here is not based on this premise. But here they found a verse and interpreted it, as, if the verse is to be understood as it was explained by Rabbi Meir, then let the verse write: And if he sanctifies to the Lord a field that he has bought, which is not his ancestral estate, or let it write: Which is not his ancestral field. What is meant by the expression: “Which is not of his ancestral fields” (Leviticus 27:22)? It means that a field that is not fit to ever be an ancestral field is considered a purchased field. That excludes this field, as it is fit to be an ancestral field. Based on this explanation, the baraita that addresses one who consecrates trees can, in fact, be understood to be in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon.

אמר רב הונא חרוב המורכב וסדן השקמה תורת אילן עליו ותורת קרקע עליו תורת אילן עליו דהיכא דאקדיש או זבין שני אילנות והאי יש לו קרקע תורת קרקע עליו דלא מזדבן אגב ארעא

§ Rav Huna says: A grafted carob and a sycamore trunk have both the status of a tree and the status of land. Each of these has the status of a tree, so if one consecrates or buys two trees and this carob or sycamore, he has also consecrated or bought the land between them, as the sycamore or carob joins with the other two trees to form a unit of three trees that take their land with them. And each has the status of land, as it is not sold along with land, as explained in the mishna, that one who sells a field has not sold a grafted carob or a sycamore trunk that is in the field.

ואמר רב הונא עומר שיש בו סאתים תורת עומר עליו ותורת גדיש עליו תורת עומר עליו דשני עומרים שכחה שנים והוא אינן שכחה

And Rav Huna says in a similar fashion: A large sheaf of grain that contains two se’a has both the status of a sheaf and the status of a heap with regard to the halakhot of forgotten sheaves that must be left for the poor. It has the status of a sheaf, as the principle is that two sheaves that were inadvertently left in the field are considered forgotten sheaves that must be left for the poor, whereas three sheaves need not be left for the poor, but rather the owner of the field may go back and take them for himself. In this regard a two-se’a sheaf is considered one sheaf, so if one forgot two sheaves and also this sheave that contains two se’a, the three together are three sheaves and are not considered forgotten sheaves that must be left for the poor.

תורת גדיש עליו דתנן עומר שיש בו סאתים שכחו אין שכחה

And it has the status of a heap, as we learned in a mishna (Pe’a 6:6): In the case of a sheaf that contains two se’a, if one forgets it in a field, it is not considered a forgotten sheaf that must be left for the poor, as its size and importance grant it the status of a heap, rather than a sheaf.

אמר רבה בר בר חנה אמר ריש לקיש חרוב המורכב וסדן השקמה באנו למחלוקת רבי מנחם בר יוסי ורבנן

§ Rabba bar bar Ḥana says that Reish Lakish says: With regard to whether a grafted carob and a sycamore trunk are consecrated along with a field that one has consecrated, we have arrived at the dispute between Rabbi Menaḥem bar Yosei and the Rabbis, as Rabbi Menaḥem bar Yosei rules that they are not consecrated, whereas the Rabbis rule that they are.