If one vowed until the jubilee year, does that include the jubilee year or not? This is based on a more general debate regarding the jubilee year – is it considered both the end of the previous cycle of seven shmita cycles and as the first year in the next shmita cycle or only as the last year and not as the first year. How are the verses in the Torah used by each side to prove their opinion? If one said ‘until lifnei Pesach’ there is a debate whether that means until it starts or until it ends. Their debate is based on whether or not you hold that one puts oneself into situations of doubt. However, this stands in complete contradiction to a Mishna in Kiddushin 64b where each of the rabbis in our Mishna holds the opposite position. This is resolved by suggesting that the opinions in our Mishna are flipped. In what way do we differentiate between one who limited the time on one’s vow to something that has a set time (like a holiday) or something that does not have a set time (like the harvest)?
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Nedarim 61
אִילֵּימָא כִּדְקָתָנֵי — לְמָה לִי לְמֵימְרָא? אֶלָּא לָאו, דַּאֲמַר ״שָׁנָה״. אַלְמָא ״שָׁנָה״ כְּ״הַשָּׁנָה״ דָּמֵי, וְ״יוֹם״ נָמֵי כְּ״הַיּוֹם״ דִּינֵיהּ.
If we say that it is exactly as it teaches, why do I need to state this halakha? It is obvious that a year means that entire year, even if it is a leap year. Rather, is it not referring to a case where he did not say that the vow applies this year, but rather, he said that it applies for a year, and the mishna teaches that the vow applies for the remainder of that year? Apparently, saying that a vow applies for a year is comparable to saying it applies this year; and similarly, the halakha in a case where one accepts a vow for a day should also be like the halakha in a case where one accepts a vow for today.
לָא, לְעוֹלָם דְּאָמַר ״הַשָּׁנָה״, וּמַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: הַלֵּךְ אַחַר רוֹב הַשָּׁנִים, וְלָא אִית בְּהוּ עִיבּוּר, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.
The Gemara refutes this argument: No, actually, the case in the mishna is that he said his vow should apply this year, and it was necessary to state this halakha lest you say: Follow the majority of years, which do not have an intercalated month, and his vow should be understood as referring to a twelve month period. The tanna therefore teaches us that the phrase this year means that the vow should last until the end of the year.
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: אָמַר ״יַיִן שֶׁאֲנִי טוֹעֵם יוֹבֵל״ מַאי? שְׁנַת חֲמִשִּׁים כְּלִפְנֵי חֲמִשִּׁים, אוֹ כִּלְאַחַר חֲמִשִּׁים?
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one said: Any wine that I taste for a Jubilee is hereby forbidden to me, what is the halakha? Is the fiftieth year considered as before fifty, i.e., is it included in the vow, or is it considered as after fifty, in which case it is not included in the vow?
תָּא שְׁמַע, דְּתַנְיָא פְּלוּגְתָּא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה וְרַבָּנַן: ״וְקִדַּשְׁתֶּם אֵת שְׁנַת הַחֲמִשִּׁים שָׁנָה״. שְׁנַת הַחֲמִשִּׁים אַתָּה מוֹנֶה, וְאִי אַתָּה מוֹנֶה שְׁנַת חֲמִשִּׁים וְאַחַת. מִכָּאן אָמְרוּ: יוֹבֵל אֵינוֹ עוֹלֶה לְמִנְיַן שָׁבוּעַ. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: יוֹבֵל עוֹלֶה לְמִנְיַן שָׁבוּעַ.
The Gemara answers: Come and hear, as it is taught in a baraita that there is a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda and the Rabbis: The verse states: “And you shall sanctify the fiftieth year” (Leviticus 25:10), from which it is derived: You count it as the fiftieth year, i.e., the Jubilee Year, but you do not count it as both the fiftieth year and the first year of the next Sabbatical and Jubilee cycles. From here they stated: The Jubilee Year is not included in the counting of the seven-year cycle of the Sabbatical Year. Rather, the year following the Jubilee Year is considered the first year of the next seven-year cycle. Rabbi Yehuda says: The Jubilee Year is included in the counting of the following seven-year cycle of the Sabbatical Year.
אָמְרוּ לוֹ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה: הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״שֵׁשׁ שָׁנִים תִּזְרַע שָׂדֶךָ״, וְאֵין כָּאן אֶלָּא חָמֵשׁ!
The Rabbis said to Rabbi Yehuda: Doesn’t the verse state: “Six years you shall sow your field” (Leviticus 25:3)? But according to your opinion there are only five years here, in the Sabbatical cycle following the Jubilee Year, as the first year would be the Jubilee Year, when it is forbidden to sow one’s field.
אָמַר לָהֶם: לְדִבְרֵיכֶם, הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״וְעָשָׂת אֶת הַתְּבוּאָה לִשְׁלֹשׁ הַשָּׁנִים״. הֲרֵי כָּאן אַרְבַּע!
Rabbi Yehuda said to them: There is a difficulty according to your statement as well. Doesn’t the verse state: “And it shall bring forth produce for the three years” (Leviticus 25:21)? The Torah promises the Jewish people that in the year preceding the Sabbatical Year, the land will bring forth enough produce to last for the duration of that year, for the Sabbatical Year, and for part of the following year, until the new produce grows. However, in the case of the Jubilee, there are four years to account for, as agricultural labor is prohibited in the forty-ninth year, which is a Sabbatical Year, and in the following year, which is the Jubilee Year.
אֶלָּא — אִיכָּא לְאוֹקֹמַהּ בִּשְׁאָר שְׁנֵי שָׁבוּעַ, דִילִי נָמֵי אִיכָּא לְאוֹקֹמַהּ בִּשְׁאָר שְׁנֵי שָׁבוּעַ.
Rather, you must say that it is possible to establish the verse as referring to the other years of seven-year cycles, i.e., other Sabbatical Years apart from the Sabbatical Year right before the Jubilee Year. With regard to my opinion also, it is possible to establish the verse you presented as a difficulty as referring to the other years of seven-year cycles, i.e., other Sabbatical cycles apart from the cycle immediately following the Jubilee. With regard to the dilemma cited previously, according to the Rabbis, just as the Jubilee Year does not count as part of the ensuing Jubilee cycle because it is considered the end of the previous Jubilee cycle, if one takes a vow and states that it applies for the Jubilee cycle, the Jubilee Year is included in the vow. According to Rabbi Yehuda, the Jubilee Year itself actually begins the next Jubilee cycle, and therefore if one takes a vow for the current Jubilee cycle, the Jubilee Year itself is not included.
״עַד הַפֶּסַח״ — אָסוּר כּוּ׳. לְמֵימְרָא דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: לָא מְעַיֵּיל אִינִישׁ נַפְשֵׁיהּ
§ It was taught in the mishna that if one vows that wine is forbidden to him until Passover, he is prohibited from drinking wine until the Festival arrives. However, if one vows that wine is forbidden to him until before Passover, there is a dispute as to whether the vow remains in effect until the beginning or the end of the Festival. The Gemara asks: Is this to say that Rabbi Meir, who holds that it is prohibited only until the beginning of Passover, maintains that a person does not place himself
לִסְפֵיקָא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי סָבַר: מְעַיֵּיל אִינִישׁ נַפְשֵׁיהּ לִסְפֵיקָא.
in a position of uncertainty, and Rabbi Yosei holds that a person does place himself in a position of uncertainty?
וּרְמִינְהִי: מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ שְׁתֵּי כִּיתֵּי בָנוֹת מִשְׁתֵּי נָשִׁים, וְאָמַר: קִדַּשְׁתִּי אֶת בִּתִּי הַגְּדוֹלָה, וְאֵינִי יוֹדֵעַ אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת, אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת, וְאִם קְטַנָּה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת שֶׁהִיא גְּדוֹלָה מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת — כּוּלָּן אֲסוּרוֹת, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. חוּץ מִן הַקְּטַנָּה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת.
The Gemara raises a contradiction from the following mishna (Kiddushin 64b): In the case of one who has two groups of two daughters born to him from two women, e.g., he has two daughters from his first wife, and after his first wife died he remarried and had two daughters with his second wife, and he said: I betrothed my older daughter to someone, but I do not know if I meant the older of the older group of daughters; or if I meant the older daughter of the younger group; or if I meant the younger daughter of the older group, who is nevertheless older than the older daughter of the younger group, then all three of those daughters are prohibited to marry another man due to the uncertainty, as he failed to clarify which daughter was betrothed. This applies to all the daughters apart from the younger daughter of the younger group, who is certainly not betrothed. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir.
רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: כּוּלָּן מוּתָּרוֹת, חוּץ מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת.
Rabbi Yosei says: They are all permitted to marry, apart from the older daughter of the older group. This demonstrates that according to Rabbi Meir, one must take into account any of the possible meanings of the imprecise expression: My older daughter, whereas Rabbi Yosei maintains that only the narrowest possible meaning of the phrase is taken into account. This contradicts the mishna here.
אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא בַּר אַבְדִּימִי אָמַר רַב: מוּחְלֶפֶת הַשִּׁיטָה. וְהָתַנְיָא, זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ וְאָמַר ״עַד לִפְנֵי״ — רַבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.
In response to this question, Rabbi Ḥanina bar Avdimi said that Rav said: The attribution of the opinions is reversed, i.e., the views stated in the mishna here must be reversed in order to reconcile them with the mishna in Kiddushin. And it is indeed taught in a baraita that this is the principle: With regard to any vow which specifies a fixed time, i.e., an event that occurs on a particular date, and one said that the vow applies until before that event, Rabbi Meir says the vow applies until the event ends, and Rabbi Yosei says that the vow is in effect only until the event arrives. This is another proof that the opinions in the mishna here must be reversed.
מַתְנִי׳ ״עַד הַקָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַבָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַמָּסִיק״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, וְאָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. אָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא. וְכֹל שֶׁאֵין זְמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.
MISHNA: If one takes a vow that something is forbidden to him until the grain harvest, or until the grape harvest, or until the olive harvest, it is forbidden to him only until the arrival of that season. This is the principle: With regard to any occasion whose time is fixed, and one said: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion arrives. If he said: Until it will be, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion ends. And with regard to any occasion whose time is not fixed, i.e., it does not fall on a precise date, whether he said: Until it will be, or: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him only until the specified occasion arrives.
״עַד הַקַּיִץ״, ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּתְחִילוּ הָעָם לְהַכְנִיס בְּכַלְכַּלּוֹת. ״עֵד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּקְפִּילוּ הַמִּקְצוֹעוֹת.
If he said: Until the summer [kayitz], or: Until it will be summer, the vow remains in effect until the people begin to bring fruit into their houses in baskets. If he said: Until the summer has passed, the vow remains in effect until the people set aside [yakpilu] the knives [hamaktzuot] with which the figs are cut after being harvested, and return them to their place of storage.
גְּמָ׳ תָּנָא: ״כַּלְכַּלָּה״ שֶׁאָמְרוּ — כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל תְּאֵנִים, וְלֹא כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל עֲנָבִים. תַּנְיָא: הַנּוֹדֵר מִפֵּירוֹת הַקַּיִץ — אֵין אָסוּר אֶלָּא בִּתְאֵנִים. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: עֲנָבִים בִּכְלַל תְּאֵנִים.
GEMARA: The Sage taught: The basket about which they spoke in the mishna is a basket of figs, and not a basket of grapes, which are gathered later than figs. It is taught in a baraita: One who vows that summer [kayitz] produce is forbidden to him is prohibited from partaking only of figs, as the fig harvest is called kayitz. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Grapes are included in the category of the summer produce, along with figs.
מַאי טַעְמָא דְּתַנָּא קַמָּא? קָסָבַר: תְּאֵנִים מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא, עֲנָבִים לָא מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל סָבַר: עֲנָבִים נָמֵי, כִּי מִירַדְּדָן — מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא.
The Gemara asks: What is the reason of the first tanna? The Gemara answers: He holds that since figs are plucked [mikkatzetzan] by hand, while grapes are plucked not by hand but with tools, it is only figs that are considered summer [kayitz] produce. Conversely, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that grapes, too, when they are sufficiently ripe, are plucked by hand. Therefore, they can be considered summer produce as well.
״עַד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״, עַד שֶׁיִּכָּפְלוּ הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת. תָּנָא: עַד שֶׁיַּכְפִּילוּ רוֹב הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת.
§ The mishna states that if one said: Until the summer has passed, then the vow remains in effect until the people set aside the knives used to cut the figs. It was taught: This means until most people set aside their knives, even if there are still some individuals who have yet to do so.
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מיתר, ישראל
New York, United States
After being so inspired by the siyum shas two years ago, I began tentatively learning daf yomi, like Rabbanut Michelle kept saying – taking one daf at a time. I’m still taking it one daf at a time, one masechet at a time, but I’m loving it and am still so inspired by Rabbanit Michelle and the Hadran community, and yes – I am proud to be finishing Seder Mo’ed.
Bet Shemesh, Israel
Nedarim 61
אִילֵּימָא כִּדְקָתָנֵי — לְמָה לִי לְמֵימְרָא? אֶלָּא לָאו, דַּאֲמַר ״שָׁנָה״. אַלְמָא ״שָׁנָה״ כְּ״הַשָּׁנָה״ דָּמֵי, וְ״יוֹם״ נָמֵי כְּ״הַיּוֹם״ דִּינֵיהּ.
If we say that it is exactly as it teaches, why do I need to state this halakha? It is obvious that a year means that entire year, even if it is a leap year. Rather, is it not referring to a case where he did not say that the vow applies this year, but rather, he said that it applies for a year, and the mishna teaches that the vow applies for the remainder of that year? Apparently, saying that a vow applies for a year is comparable to saying it applies this year; and similarly, the halakha in a case where one accepts a vow for a day should also be like the halakha in a case where one accepts a vow for today.
לָא, לְעוֹלָם דְּאָמַר ״הַשָּׁנָה״, וּמַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: הַלֵּךְ אַחַר רוֹב הַשָּׁנִים, וְלָא אִית בְּהוּ עִיבּוּר, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.
The Gemara refutes this argument: No, actually, the case in the mishna is that he said his vow should apply this year, and it was necessary to state this halakha lest you say: Follow the majority of years, which do not have an intercalated month, and his vow should be understood as referring to a twelve month period. The tanna therefore teaches us that the phrase this year means that the vow should last until the end of the year.
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: אָמַר ״יַיִן שֶׁאֲנִי טוֹעֵם יוֹבֵל״ מַאי? שְׁנַת חֲמִשִּׁים כְּלִפְנֵי חֲמִשִּׁים, אוֹ כִּלְאַחַר חֲמִשִּׁים?
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: If one said: Any wine that I taste for a Jubilee is hereby forbidden to me, what is the halakha? Is the fiftieth year considered as before fifty, i.e., is it included in the vow, or is it considered as after fifty, in which case it is not included in the vow?
תָּא שְׁמַע, דְּתַנְיָא פְּלוּגְתָּא דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה וְרַבָּנַן: ״וְקִדַּשְׁתֶּם אֵת שְׁנַת הַחֲמִשִּׁים שָׁנָה״. שְׁנַת הַחֲמִשִּׁים אַתָּה מוֹנֶה, וְאִי אַתָּה מוֹנֶה שְׁנַת חֲמִשִּׁים וְאַחַת. מִכָּאן אָמְרוּ: יוֹבֵל אֵינוֹ עוֹלֶה לְמִנְיַן שָׁבוּעַ. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: יוֹבֵל עוֹלֶה לְמִנְיַן שָׁבוּעַ.
The Gemara answers: Come and hear, as it is taught in a baraita that there is a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda and the Rabbis: The verse states: “And you shall sanctify the fiftieth year” (Leviticus 25:10), from which it is derived: You count it as the fiftieth year, i.e., the Jubilee Year, but you do not count it as both the fiftieth year and the first year of the next Sabbatical and Jubilee cycles. From here they stated: The Jubilee Year is not included in the counting of the seven-year cycle of the Sabbatical Year. Rather, the year following the Jubilee Year is considered the first year of the next seven-year cycle. Rabbi Yehuda says: The Jubilee Year is included in the counting of the following seven-year cycle of the Sabbatical Year.
אָמְרוּ לוֹ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה: הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״שֵׁשׁ שָׁנִים תִּזְרַע שָׂדֶךָ״, וְאֵין כָּאן אֶלָּא חָמֵשׁ!
The Rabbis said to Rabbi Yehuda: Doesn’t the verse state: “Six years you shall sow your field” (Leviticus 25:3)? But according to your opinion there are only five years here, in the Sabbatical cycle following the Jubilee Year, as the first year would be the Jubilee Year, when it is forbidden to sow one’s field.
אָמַר לָהֶם: לְדִבְרֵיכֶם, הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״וְעָשָׂת אֶת הַתְּבוּאָה לִשְׁלֹשׁ הַשָּׁנִים״. הֲרֵי כָּאן אַרְבַּע!
Rabbi Yehuda said to them: There is a difficulty according to your statement as well. Doesn’t the verse state: “And it shall bring forth produce for the three years” (Leviticus 25:21)? The Torah promises the Jewish people that in the year preceding the Sabbatical Year, the land will bring forth enough produce to last for the duration of that year, for the Sabbatical Year, and for part of the following year, until the new produce grows. However, in the case of the Jubilee, there are four years to account for, as agricultural labor is prohibited in the forty-ninth year, which is a Sabbatical Year, and in the following year, which is the Jubilee Year.
אֶלָּא — אִיכָּא לְאוֹקֹמַהּ בִּשְׁאָר שְׁנֵי שָׁבוּעַ, דִילִי נָמֵי אִיכָּא לְאוֹקֹמַהּ בִּשְׁאָר שְׁנֵי שָׁבוּעַ.
Rather, you must say that it is possible to establish the verse as referring to the other years of seven-year cycles, i.e., other Sabbatical Years apart from the Sabbatical Year right before the Jubilee Year. With regard to my opinion also, it is possible to establish the verse you presented as a difficulty as referring to the other years of seven-year cycles, i.e., other Sabbatical cycles apart from the cycle immediately following the Jubilee. With regard to the dilemma cited previously, according to the Rabbis, just as the Jubilee Year does not count as part of the ensuing Jubilee cycle because it is considered the end of the previous Jubilee cycle, if one takes a vow and states that it applies for the Jubilee cycle, the Jubilee Year is included in the vow. According to Rabbi Yehuda, the Jubilee Year itself actually begins the next Jubilee cycle, and therefore if one takes a vow for the current Jubilee cycle, the Jubilee Year itself is not included.
״עַד הַפֶּסַח״ — אָסוּר כּוּ׳. לְמֵימְרָא דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: לָא מְעַיֵּיל אִינִישׁ נַפְשֵׁיהּ
§ It was taught in the mishna that if one vows that wine is forbidden to him until Passover, he is prohibited from drinking wine until the Festival arrives. However, if one vows that wine is forbidden to him until before Passover, there is a dispute as to whether the vow remains in effect until the beginning or the end of the Festival. The Gemara asks: Is this to say that Rabbi Meir, who holds that it is prohibited only until the beginning of Passover, maintains that a person does not place himself
לִסְפֵיקָא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי סָבַר: מְעַיֵּיל אִינִישׁ נַפְשֵׁיהּ לִסְפֵיקָא.
in a position of uncertainty, and Rabbi Yosei holds that a person does place himself in a position of uncertainty?
וּרְמִינְהִי: מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ שְׁתֵּי כִּיתֵּי בָנוֹת מִשְׁתֵּי נָשִׁים, וְאָמַר: קִדַּשְׁתִּי אֶת בִּתִּי הַגְּדוֹלָה, וְאֵינִי יוֹדֵעַ אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת, אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת, וְאִם קְטַנָּה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת שֶׁהִיא גְּדוֹלָה מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת — כּוּלָּן אֲסוּרוֹת, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. חוּץ מִן הַקְּטַנָּה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת.
The Gemara raises a contradiction from the following mishna (Kiddushin 64b): In the case of one who has two groups of two daughters born to him from two women, e.g., he has two daughters from his first wife, and after his first wife died he remarried and had two daughters with his second wife, and he said: I betrothed my older daughter to someone, but I do not know if I meant the older of the older group of daughters; or if I meant the older daughter of the younger group; or if I meant the younger daughter of the older group, who is nevertheless older than the older daughter of the younger group, then all three of those daughters are prohibited to marry another man due to the uncertainty, as he failed to clarify which daughter was betrothed. This applies to all the daughters apart from the younger daughter of the younger group, who is certainly not betrothed. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir.
רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: כּוּלָּן מוּתָּרוֹת, חוּץ מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת.
Rabbi Yosei says: They are all permitted to marry, apart from the older daughter of the older group. This demonstrates that according to Rabbi Meir, one must take into account any of the possible meanings of the imprecise expression: My older daughter, whereas Rabbi Yosei maintains that only the narrowest possible meaning of the phrase is taken into account. This contradicts the mishna here.
אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא בַּר אַבְדִּימִי אָמַר רַב: מוּחְלֶפֶת הַשִּׁיטָה. וְהָתַנְיָא, זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ וְאָמַר ״עַד לִפְנֵי״ — רַבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.
In response to this question, Rabbi Ḥanina bar Avdimi said that Rav said: The attribution of the opinions is reversed, i.e., the views stated in the mishna here must be reversed in order to reconcile them with the mishna in Kiddushin. And it is indeed taught in a baraita that this is the principle: With regard to any vow which specifies a fixed time, i.e., an event that occurs on a particular date, and one said that the vow applies until before that event, Rabbi Meir says the vow applies until the event ends, and Rabbi Yosei says that the vow is in effect only until the event arrives. This is another proof that the opinions in the mishna here must be reversed.
מַתְנִי׳ ״עַד הַקָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַבָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַמָּסִיק״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, וְאָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. אָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא. וְכֹל שֶׁאֵין זְמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.
MISHNA: If one takes a vow that something is forbidden to him until the grain harvest, or until the grape harvest, or until the olive harvest, it is forbidden to him only until the arrival of that season. This is the principle: With regard to any occasion whose time is fixed, and one said: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion arrives. If he said: Until it will be, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion ends. And with regard to any occasion whose time is not fixed, i.e., it does not fall on a precise date, whether he said: Until it will be, or: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him only until the specified occasion arrives.
״עַד הַקַּיִץ״, ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּתְחִילוּ הָעָם לְהַכְנִיס בְּכַלְכַּלּוֹת. ״עֵד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּקְפִּילוּ הַמִּקְצוֹעוֹת.
If he said: Until the summer [kayitz], or: Until it will be summer, the vow remains in effect until the people begin to bring fruit into their houses in baskets. If he said: Until the summer has passed, the vow remains in effect until the people set aside [yakpilu] the knives [hamaktzuot] with which the figs are cut after being harvested, and return them to their place of storage.
גְּמָ׳ תָּנָא: ״כַּלְכַּלָּה״ שֶׁאָמְרוּ — כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל תְּאֵנִים, וְלֹא כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל עֲנָבִים. תַּנְיָא: הַנּוֹדֵר מִפֵּירוֹת הַקַּיִץ — אֵין אָסוּר אֶלָּא בִּתְאֵנִים. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: עֲנָבִים בִּכְלַל תְּאֵנִים.
GEMARA: The Sage taught: The basket about which they spoke in the mishna is a basket of figs, and not a basket of grapes, which are gathered later than figs. It is taught in a baraita: One who vows that summer [kayitz] produce is forbidden to him is prohibited from partaking only of figs, as the fig harvest is called kayitz. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Grapes are included in the category of the summer produce, along with figs.
מַאי טַעְמָא דְּתַנָּא קַמָּא? קָסָבַר: תְּאֵנִים מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא, עֲנָבִים לָא מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל סָבַר: עֲנָבִים נָמֵי, כִּי מִירַדְּדָן — מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא.
The Gemara asks: What is the reason of the first tanna? The Gemara answers: He holds that since figs are plucked [mikkatzetzan] by hand, while grapes are plucked not by hand but with tools, it is only figs that are considered summer [kayitz] produce. Conversely, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that grapes, too, when they are sufficiently ripe, are plucked by hand. Therefore, they can be considered summer produce as well.
״עַד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״, עַד שֶׁיִּכָּפְלוּ הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת. תָּנָא: עַד שֶׁיַּכְפִּילוּ רוֹב הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת.
§ The mishna states that if one said: Until the summer has passed, then the vow remains in effect until the people set aside the knives used to cut the figs. It was taught: This means until most people set aside their knives, even if there are still some individuals who have yet to do so.
