Can one buy eggs from a non Jew? Under what conditions? Are there simanim of kosher eggs? If so, what are they? What is the halacha regarding one who finds blood in eggs? Does it depend on where the blood is? What is the source that eggs of non kosher birds are forbidden?
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Masechet Chullin is sponsored by Judi Felber in honor of the Hadran Community. “During my first cycle of Daf Yomi, just as we began Masechet Chullin, my son was injured while serving in the IDF. Throughout those two and a half months of difficulty and uncertainty, my fellow learners never left my side. With profound gratitude to the community that held me, encouraged me, and ensured I could keep up with the Daf during those trying times.”
This week’s learning is sponsored by Sara Averick in loving memory of her mother, Leah Shifrin Averick, לאה בת יהודה לייב חייקל וחיה מאשה. “She infused her many descendants with her love for Torah, Israel and the Jewish people.”
This week’s learning is sponsored by Elana and Daniel Storch in honor of their youngest daughter Arianne Yael’s engagement to Brett Aiken and for a for a refuah shleima for Ilana Malka bat Aviva Tamar and Leah Maritza bat Raizel. “We are thrilled to share besorot tovot with our Hadran Family. We pray that the chuppah will take place בשעה טובה ומוצלחת and they should be zoche to build a בית נאמן בישראל.
Chullin 64
עוּבְּרֵי דָּגִים.
fish embryos, i.e., fish eggs found in the fish’s innards.
וְתַנְיָא גַּבֵּי בֵיצִים: אֵלּוּ הֵן סִימָנֵי בֵיצִים – כָּל שֶׁכּוֹדֶרֶת וַעֲגוּלְגּוֹלֶת, רֹאשָׁהּ אֶחָד כַּד וְרֹאשָׁהּ אֶחָד חַד – טְהוֹרָה, שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ כַּדִּין אוֹ שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ חַדִּין – טְמֵאִין. חֶלְבּוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְמוֹן מִבִּפְנִים – טְהוֹרָה, חֶלְמוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבְּפָנִים – טְמֵאָה, חֶלְמוֹן וְחֶלְבּוֹן מְעוֹרָבִין זֶה בָּזֶה – בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁהִיא בֵּיצַת הַשֶּׁרֶץ.
The Gemara continues: And it is taught in a baraita about eggs that these are the signs of bird eggs: Any egg that narrows at the top and is rounded, so that one of its ends is rounded and the other one of its ends is pointed, is kosher. If both of its ends are rounded or both of its ends are pointed, they are non-kosher. If the albumen is on the outside and the yolk on the inside, it is kosher. If the yolk is on the outside and the albumen on the inside, it is non-kosher. If the yolk and albumen are mixed with each other, it is certainly the egg of a creeping animal. Therefore, if it is possible to recognize a kosher egg by these signs, there is no need to rely on the gentile.
לָא צְרִיכָא, דַּחֲתוּכוֹת. וְלִיבְדּוֹק בְּחֶלְמוֹן וְחֶלְבּוֹן? בִּטְרוּפוֹת בִּקְעָרָה.
The Gemara responds: No, it is necessary if the eggs have already been cut and one cannot know their original shape. The Gemara challenges: But let him inspect the yolk and the albumen, to see which is inside and which is outside. The Gemara responds: The baraita deals with a case where the eggs are mixed in a bowl, and it is impossible to discern this.
וּכְהַאי גַּוְונָא מִי זָבְנִינַן מִינַּיְיהוּ? וְהָא תַּנְיָא: אֵין מוֹכְרִין בֵּיצַת טְרֵפָה לְגוֹי, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן טְרוּפָה בִּקְעָרָה; לְפִיכָךְ אֵין לוֹקְחִין מֵהֶם בֵּיצִים טְרוּפוֹת בִּקְעָרָה.
The Gemara counters: But in a case like this, where the eggs are mixed, may we buy eggs from them? Isn’t it taught in another baraita: One may sell the egg of a tereifa bird to a gentile only if it is mixed in a bowl; therefore, one may not buy eggs mixed in a bowl from them, because they may be from tereifot? If so, it cannot be that the baraita deals with a case where they are mixed, and one should be able to inspect the yolk and albumen.
אֶלָּא אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא: סִימָנִין לָאו דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא, דְּאִי לָא תֵּימָא הָכִי, הָא דְּאָמַר רַב אַסִּי: שְׁמֹנָה סְפֵיקוֹת הֵן – לִיבְדּוֹק בְּבֵיצִים דִּידְהוּ! אֶלָּא שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: סִימָנִין לָאו דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא.
Rather, Rabbi Zeira said: The signs of a kosher egg are not valid by Torah law. As, if you do not say so, one encounters difficulty with that which Rav Asi says: There are eight birds whose kosher status is uncertain. Why is there uncertainty? Let one inspect their eggs for the signs listed in the baraita to determine whether they are kosher. Rather, learn from it that the signs are not valid by Torah law and one may not rely on them.
אֶלָּא לְמַאי הִלְכְתָא קָתָנֵי לַהּ? הָכִי קָאָמַר: שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ כַּדִּין, אוֹ שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ חַדִּין, אוֹ חֶלְמוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבִּפְנִים – וַדַּאי טְמֵאָה. רֵישֵׁיהּ חַד חַד, רֵישֵׁיהּ חַד כַּד, וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְמוֹן מִבִּפְנִים, וְאָמַר לָךְ שֶׁל עוֹף פְּלוֹנִי וְטָהוֹר הוּא – סְמוֹךְ עֲלֵיהּ. בִּסְתָמָא – לָא תִּסְמוֹךְ עֲלֵיהּ, דְּאִיכָּא דְּעוֹרְבָא דְּדָמֵי לִדְיוֹנָה.
The Gemara asks: But if one may not rely on these signs, with regard to what halakha is the baraita teaching them? The Gemara responds: This is what the baraita is saying: If both of its ends are rounded, or both its ends are pointed, or the yolk is on the outside and the albumen is on the inside, it is certainly non-kosher. But if one of its ends is pointed and one of its ends is rounded, and the albumen is on the outside and the yolk on the inside, and the gentile says to you that it is from such and such bird, and that bird is kosher, rely on the signs. But if he offers no specification of the type of bird, or if one simply finds eggs with these signs, do not rely on them, since there are crow’s eggs that resemble those of a pigeon.
אָמַר מָר: חֶלְבּוֹן וְחֶלְמוֹן מְעוֹרָבִין זֶה בָּזֶה – בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁהִיא בֵּיצַת הַשֶּׁרֶץ. לְמַאי הִלְכְתָא? אָמַר רַב עוּקְבָא בַּר חָמָא: לוֹמַר שֶׁאִם רִיקְּמָה וְנִיקְּבָה בְּכַעֲדָשָׁה – מְטַמֵּא.
The Gemara analyzes the baraita: The Master said: If the albumen and yolk are mixed with each other, it is certainly the egg of a creeping animal and not of a non-kosher bird. The Gemara asks: For what halakha is this information necessary? Either way, the egg is forbidden. Rav Ukva bar Ḥama said: The baraita means to say that if tissue of an embryo developed [rikema] inside it and it was perforated, and one touched it, it transmits ritual impurity provided that the embryo is at least the size of a lentil-bulk, because the carcass of a creeping animal of this size is a source of ritual impurity.
מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רָבִינָא: וְדִלְמָא דְּנָחָשׁ הִיא? אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: שֶׁאִם רִיקְּמָה וְאָכְלָה – לוֹקֶה עָלֶיהָ מִשּׁוּם ״שֶׁרֶץ הַשֹּׁרֵץ עַל הָאָרֶץ״.
Ravina objects to this: But perhaps it is the egg of a snake, whose carcass does not transmit ritual impurity, even though the albumen and yolk of its eggs are mixed together. Rather, Rava said: The baraita does not teach about ritual impurity, but rather that if tissue of an embryo developed inside the egg and one ate it, he is flogged on its account, due to the prohibition: “And every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth is a detestable thing; it shall not be eaten” (Leviticus 11:41).
אִי הָכִי, מַאי אִירְיָא דִּטְמֵאָה? אֲפִילּוּ דִּטְהוֹרָה נָמֵי! דְּתַנְיָא: ״כׇּל הַשֶּׁרֶץ הַשֹּׁרֵץ עַל הָאָרֶץ״ –
The Gemara asks: If so, why specifically mention the egg of a non-kosher creeping animal? The same would apply even for one who eats the embryo of a kosher bird as well. In either case, one is flogged, as it is taught in a baraita that the verse: “Every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth,”
לְרַבּוֹת אֶפְרוֹחִים שֶׁלֹּא נִפְתְּחוּ עֵינֵיהֶם! מִדְּרַבָּנַן, וּקְרָא אַסְמַכְתָּא בְּעָלְמָא.
serves to include chicks of pigeons whose eyes have not yet opened in the prohibition against consuming swarming things. The Gemara responds: This prohibition is by rabbinic law, and the verse cited is a mere support for it. One who eats the embryo of a kosher bird is not liable to receive lashes.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: גִּיעוּלֵי בֵּיצִים מוּתָּרוֹת, בֵּיצִים מוּזָרוֹת – נֶפֶשׁ יָפָה תֹּאכְלֵם, נִמְצָא עָלֶיהָ קוֹרֶט דָּם – זוֹרֵק אֶת הַדָּם וְאוֹכֵל אֶת הַשְּׁאָר.
§ The Sages taught in a baraita: Kosher eggs that have been boiled with non-kosher eggs are permitted. Unfertilized eggs are permitted, and one of strong constitution may eat them, even if the hen has sat on them for a long period of time. If a drop [koret] of blood is found on it, one discards the blood, which is the first stage of an embryo’s development, and eats the rest.
אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: וְהוּא שֶׁנִּמְצָא עַל קֶשֶׁר שֶׁלָּהּ. תָּנֵי דּוֹסְתַּאי אֲבוּהּ דְּרַבִּי אַפְטוֹרִיקִי: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא שֶׁנִּמְצָא עַל חֶלְבּוֹן שֶׁלָּהּ, אֲבָל נִמְצָא עַל חֶלְמוֹן שֶׁלָּהּ – אֲפִילּוּ בֵּיצָה אֲסוּרָה. מַאי טַעְמָא? דִּשְׁדָא תִּכְלָא בְּכוּלַּהּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב גְּבִיהָה מִבֵּי כְתִיל לְרַב אָשֵׁי: אִיפְּכָא תָּנֵי תַּנָּא קַמֵּיהּ דְּאַבָּיֵי, וְאַבָּיֵי הוּא דְּתָרְצַהּ נִיהֲלֵיהּ הָכִי.
Rabbi Yirmeya said: And this applies when the blood is found on its knot, i.e., the place in the albumen where the embryo begins to develop, since this proves that tissue has not developed elsewhere in the egg. And so taught Dostai, father of Rabbi Aptoriki: The Sages taught that one may eat the rest of the egg only when the blood is found on its albumen, i.e., the knot; but if it is found on its yolk, even the rest of the egg is forbidden. What is the reason for this? It is that the decay has spread through all of it. Rav Geviha from Bei Ketil said to Rav Ashi: A tanna taught the opposite before Abaye, that one may eat the rest of the egg only when the blood is found on its yolk, and it is Abaye that corrected it in this manner.
אָמַר חִזְקִיָּה: מִנַּיִן לְבֵיצַת טְמֵאָה שֶׁהִיא אֲסוּרָה מִן הַתּוֹרָה? שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וְאֶת בַּת הַיַּעֲנָה״, וְכִי בַּת יֵשׁ לָהּ לַיַּעֲנָה? אֶלָּא אֵיזוֹ – זוֹ בֵּיצָה טְמֵאָה. וְדִלְמָא הַיְינוּ שְׁמַיְיהוּ? לָא סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ, דִּכְתִיב: ״בַּת עַמִּי לְאַכְזָר כַּיְעֵנִים בַּמִּדְבָּר״.
§ Ḥizkiyya says: From where is it derived that the egg of a non-kosher bird is prohibited by Torah law? As it is stated: “And the daughter [bat] of the ya’ana” (Leviticus 11:16). But does the ya’ana have a daughter whose forbidden status would be different from that of its mother? Both daughter and mother should be included in the same prohibition. Rather, which is this? This is a non-kosher egg. The Gemara challenges: But perhaps this is their name, i.e., the bird is called bat ya’ana. The Gemara responds: This should not enter your mind, as it is written: “The daughter of my people has become cruel, like the ye’enim in the wilderness” (Lamentations 4:3).
וְלָא? וְהָא כְּתִיב: ״אֶעֱשֶׂה מִסְפֵּד כַּתַּנִּים וְאֵבֶל כִּבְנוֹת יַעֲנָה״? כְּיַעֲנָה זוֹ שֶׁמִּתְאַבֶּלֶת עַל בָּנֶיהָ. וְהָא כְּתִיב: ״וְשָׁכְנוּ שָׁם בְּנוֹת יַעֲנָה״? כְּיַעֲנָה זוֹ שֶׁשּׁוֹכֶנֶת עִם בָּנֶיהָ.
The Gemara persists: And is bat ya’ana not its name? But isn’t it written: “I will make a wailing like the jackals, and a mourning like the daughters [benot] of the ya’ana” (Micah 1:8)? The Gemara responds: The verse means: I will make mourning like this ya’ana that mourns for its children. The Gemara asks: But isn’t it written: “And benot ya’ana shall dwell there” (Isaiah 13:21)? The Gemara responds: Here too, the verse means: And they shall dwell there like this ya’ana that dwells with its children.
וְהָכְתִיב: ״תְּכַבְּדֵנִי חַיַּת הַשָּׂדֶה תַּנִּים וּבְנוֹת יַעֲנָה״, וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ בֵּיצָה, בֵּיצָה בַּת מֵימַר שִׁירָה הִיא? אֶלָּא, כְּתִיב ״הַיַּעֲנָה״, וּכְתִיב ״בַּת הַיַּעֲנָה״.
The Gemara asks: But isn’t it written: “The animals of the field shall honor Me, the jackals and the benot ya’ana” (Isaiah 43:20)? And if it enters your mind that the term bat ya’ana is referring to an egg, can an egg sing a song of praise to God? Rather, one must say: The ya’ana is written, and the bat ya’ana is also written, and both are acceptable names for this bird.
וְשָׁאנֵי הָכָא, דְּפָסֵק סָפְרָא לִשְׁתֵּי תֵּיבוֹת, וּמִדְּפָסֵיק לְהוּ סָפְרָא
And still, the name here is different from those of other animals, in that the scribe splits it into two words: Bat ya’ana, even though it is one species. And from the fact that the scribe splits it
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I started learning Daf Yomi inspired by תָּפַסְתָּ מְרוּבֶּה לֹא תָּפַסְתָּ, תָּפַסְתָּ מוּעָט תָּפַסְתָּ. I thought I’d start the first page, and then see. I was swept up into the enthusiasm of the Hadran Siyum, and from there the momentum kept building. Rabbanit Michelle’s shiur gives me an anchor, a connection to an incredible virtual community, and an energy to face whatever the day brings.
Medinah Korn
בית שמש, Israel
It happened without intent (so am I yotzei?!) – I watched the women’s siyum live and was so moved by it that the next morning, I tuned in to Rabbanit Michelle’s shiur, and here I am, still learning every day, over 2 years later. Some days it all goes over my head, but others I grasp onto an idea or a story, and I ‘get it’ and that’s the best feeling in the world. So proud to be a Hadran learner.
Jeanne Yael Klempner
Zichron Yaakov, Israel
I started learning daf yomi at the beginning of this cycle. As the pandemic evolved, it’s been so helpful to me to have this discipline every morning to listen to the daf podcast after I’ve read the daf; learning about the relationships between the rabbis and the ways they were constructing our Jewish religion after the destruction of the Temple. I’m grateful to be on this journey!
Mona Fishbane
Teaneck NJ, United States
A Gemara shiur previous to the Hadran Siyum, was the impetus to attend it.It was highly inspirational and I was smitten. The message for me was התלמוד בידינו. I had decided along with my Chahsmonaim group to to do the daf and take it one daf at time- without any expectations at all. There has been a wealth of information, insights and halachik ideas. It is truly exercise of the mind, heart & Soul
Phyllis Hecht
Hashmonaim, Israel
I started learning when my brother sent me the news clip of the celebration of the last Daf Yomi cycle. I was so floored to see so many women celebrating that I wanted to be a part of it. It has been an enriching experience studying a text in a language I don’t speak, using background knowledge that I don’t have. It is stretching my learning in unexpected ways, bringing me joy and satisfaction.
Jodi Gladstone
Warwick, Rhode Island, United States
I started learning Jan 2020 when I heard the new cycle was starting. I had tried during the last cycle and didn’t make it past a few weeks. Learning online from old men didn’t speak to my soul and I knew Talmud had to be a soul journey for me. Enter Hadran! Talmud from Rabbanit Michelle Farber from a woman’s perspective, a mother’s perspective and a modern perspective. Motivated to continue!
Keren Carter
Brentwood, California, United States
I began to learn this cycle of Daf Yomi after my husband passed away 2 1/2 years ago. It seemed a good way to connect to him. Even though I don’t know whether he would have encouraged women learning Gemara, it would have opened wonderful conversations. It also gives me more depth for understanding my frum children and grandchildren. Thank you Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle Farber!!
Harriet Hartman
Tzur Hadassah, Israel
I started my journey on the day I realized that the Siyum was happening in Yerushalayim and I was missing out. What? I told myself. How could I have not known about this? How can I have missed out on this opportunity? I decided that moment, I would start Daf Yomi and Nach Yomi the very next day. I am so grateful to Hadran. I am changed forever because I learn Gemara with women. Thank you.
Linda Brownstein
Mitspe, Israel
I started my Daf Yomi journey at the beginning of the COVID19 pandemic.
Karena Perry
Los Angeles, United States
I began daf yomi in January 2020 with Brachot. I had made aliya 6 months before, and one of my post-aliya goals was to complete a full cycle. As a life-long Tanach teacher, I wanted to swim from one side of the Yam shel Torah to the other. Daf yomi was also my sanity through COVID. It was the way to marking the progression of time, and feel that I could grow and accomplish while time stopped.
Leah Herzog
Givat Zev, Israel
I learned Mishnayot more than twenty years ago and started with Gemara much later in life. Although I never managed to learn Daf Yomi consistently, I am learning since some years Gemara in depth and with much joy. Since last year I am studying at the International Halakha Scholars Program at the WIHL. I often listen to Rabbanit Farbers Gemara shiurim to understand better a specific sugyiah. I am grateful for the help and inspiration!
Shoshana Ruerup
Berlin, Germany
I saw an elderly man at the shul kiddush in early March 2020, celebrating the siyyum of masechet brachot which he had been learning with a young yeshiva student. I thought, if he can do it, I can do it! I began to learn masechet Shabbat the next day, Making up masechet brachot myself, which I had missed. I haven’t missed a day since, thanks to the ease of listening to Hadran’s podcast!
Judith Shapiro
Minnesota, United States
Chullin 64
עוּבְּרֵי דָּגִים.
fish embryos, i.e., fish eggs found in the fish’s innards.
וְתַנְיָא גַּבֵּי בֵיצִים: אֵלּוּ הֵן סִימָנֵי בֵיצִים – כָּל שֶׁכּוֹדֶרֶת וַעֲגוּלְגּוֹלֶת, רֹאשָׁהּ אֶחָד כַּד וְרֹאשָׁהּ אֶחָד חַד – טְהוֹרָה, שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ כַּדִּין אוֹ שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ חַדִּין – טְמֵאִין. חֶלְבּוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְמוֹן מִבִּפְנִים – טְהוֹרָה, חֶלְמוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבְּפָנִים – טְמֵאָה, חֶלְמוֹן וְחֶלְבּוֹן מְעוֹרָבִין זֶה בָּזֶה – בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁהִיא בֵּיצַת הַשֶּׁרֶץ.
The Gemara continues: And it is taught in a baraita about eggs that these are the signs of bird eggs: Any egg that narrows at the top and is rounded, so that one of its ends is rounded and the other one of its ends is pointed, is kosher. If both of its ends are rounded or both of its ends are pointed, they are non-kosher. If the albumen is on the outside and the yolk on the inside, it is kosher. If the yolk is on the outside and the albumen on the inside, it is non-kosher. If the yolk and albumen are mixed with each other, it is certainly the egg of a creeping animal. Therefore, if it is possible to recognize a kosher egg by these signs, there is no need to rely on the gentile.
לָא צְרִיכָא, דַּחֲתוּכוֹת. וְלִיבְדּוֹק בְּחֶלְמוֹן וְחֶלְבּוֹן? בִּטְרוּפוֹת בִּקְעָרָה.
The Gemara responds: No, it is necessary if the eggs have already been cut and one cannot know their original shape. The Gemara challenges: But let him inspect the yolk and the albumen, to see which is inside and which is outside. The Gemara responds: The baraita deals with a case where the eggs are mixed in a bowl, and it is impossible to discern this.
וּכְהַאי גַּוְונָא מִי זָבְנִינַן מִינַּיְיהוּ? וְהָא תַּנְיָא: אֵין מוֹכְרִין בֵּיצַת טְרֵפָה לְגוֹי, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן טְרוּפָה בִּקְעָרָה; לְפִיכָךְ אֵין לוֹקְחִין מֵהֶם בֵּיצִים טְרוּפוֹת בִּקְעָרָה.
The Gemara counters: But in a case like this, where the eggs are mixed, may we buy eggs from them? Isn’t it taught in another baraita: One may sell the egg of a tereifa bird to a gentile only if it is mixed in a bowl; therefore, one may not buy eggs mixed in a bowl from them, because they may be from tereifot? If so, it cannot be that the baraita deals with a case where they are mixed, and one should be able to inspect the yolk and albumen.
אֶלָּא אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא: סִימָנִין לָאו דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא, דְּאִי לָא תֵּימָא הָכִי, הָא דְּאָמַר רַב אַסִּי: שְׁמֹנָה סְפֵיקוֹת הֵן – לִיבְדּוֹק בְּבֵיצִים דִּידְהוּ! אֶלָּא שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: סִימָנִין לָאו דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא.
Rather, Rabbi Zeira said: The signs of a kosher egg are not valid by Torah law. As, if you do not say so, one encounters difficulty with that which Rav Asi says: There are eight birds whose kosher status is uncertain. Why is there uncertainty? Let one inspect their eggs for the signs listed in the baraita to determine whether they are kosher. Rather, learn from it that the signs are not valid by Torah law and one may not rely on them.
אֶלָּא לְמַאי הִלְכְתָא קָתָנֵי לַהּ? הָכִי קָאָמַר: שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ כַּדִּין, אוֹ שְׁנֵי רָאשֶׁיהָ חַדִּין, אוֹ חֶלְמוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבִּפְנִים – וַדַּאי טְמֵאָה. רֵישֵׁיהּ חַד חַד, רֵישֵׁיהּ חַד כַּד, וְחֶלְבּוֹן מִבַּחוּץ וְחֶלְמוֹן מִבִּפְנִים, וְאָמַר לָךְ שֶׁל עוֹף פְּלוֹנִי וְטָהוֹר הוּא – סְמוֹךְ עֲלֵיהּ. בִּסְתָמָא – לָא תִּסְמוֹךְ עֲלֵיהּ, דְּאִיכָּא דְּעוֹרְבָא דְּדָמֵי לִדְיוֹנָה.
The Gemara asks: But if one may not rely on these signs, with regard to what halakha is the baraita teaching them? The Gemara responds: This is what the baraita is saying: If both of its ends are rounded, or both its ends are pointed, or the yolk is on the outside and the albumen is on the inside, it is certainly non-kosher. But if one of its ends is pointed and one of its ends is rounded, and the albumen is on the outside and the yolk on the inside, and the gentile says to you that it is from such and such bird, and that bird is kosher, rely on the signs. But if he offers no specification of the type of bird, or if one simply finds eggs with these signs, do not rely on them, since there are crow’s eggs that resemble those of a pigeon.
אָמַר מָר: חֶלְבּוֹן וְחֶלְמוֹן מְעוֹרָבִין זֶה בָּזֶה – בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁהִיא בֵּיצַת הַשֶּׁרֶץ. לְמַאי הִלְכְתָא? אָמַר רַב עוּקְבָא בַּר חָמָא: לוֹמַר שֶׁאִם רִיקְּמָה וְנִיקְּבָה בְּכַעֲדָשָׁה – מְטַמֵּא.
The Gemara analyzes the baraita: The Master said: If the albumen and yolk are mixed with each other, it is certainly the egg of a creeping animal and not of a non-kosher bird. The Gemara asks: For what halakha is this information necessary? Either way, the egg is forbidden. Rav Ukva bar Ḥama said: The baraita means to say that if tissue of an embryo developed [rikema] inside it and it was perforated, and one touched it, it transmits ritual impurity provided that the embryo is at least the size of a lentil-bulk, because the carcass of a creeping animal of this size is a source of ritual impurity.
מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רָבִינָא: וְדִלְמָא דְּנָחָשׁ הִיא? אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: שֶׁאִם רִיקְּמָה וְאָכְלָה – לוֹקֶה עָלֶיהָ מִשּׁוּם ״שֶׁרֶץ הַשֹּׁרֵץ עַל הָאָרֶץ״.
Ravina objects to this: But perhaps it is the egg of a snake, whose carcass does not transmit ritual impurity, even though the albumen and yolk of its eggs are mixed together. Rather, Rava said: The baraita does not teach about ritual impurity, but rather that if tissue of an embryo developed inside the egg and one ate it, he is flogged on its account, due to the prohibition: “And every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth is a detestable thing; it shall not be eaten” (Leviticus 11:41).
אִי הָכִי, מַאי אִירְיָא דִּטְמֵאָה? אֲפִילּוּ דִּטְהוֹרָה נָמֵי! דְּתַנְיָא: ״כׇּל הַשֶּׁרֶץ הַשֹּׁרֵץ עַל הָאָרֶץ״ –
The Gemara asks: If so, why specifically mention the egg of a non-kosher creeping animal? The same would apply even for one who eats the embryo of a kosher bird as well. In either case, one is flogged, as it is taught in a baraita that the verse: “Every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth,”
לְרַבּוֹת אֶפְרוֹחִים שֶׁלֹּא נִפְתְּחוּ עֵינֵיהֶם! מִדְּרַבָּנַן, וּקְרָא אַסְמַכְתָּא בְּעָלְמָא.
serves to include chicks of pigeons whose eyes have not yet opened in the prohibition against consuming swarming things. The Gemara responds: This prohibition is by rabbinic law, and the verse cited is a mere support for it. One who eats the embryo of a kosher bird is not liable to receive lashes.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: גִּיעוּלֵי בֵּיצִים מוּתָּרוֹת, בֵּיצִים מוּזָרוֹת – נֶפֶשׁ יָפָה תֹּאכְלֵם, נִמְצָא עָלֶיהָ קוֹרֶט דָּם – זוֹרֵק אֶת הַדָּם וְאוֹכֵל אֶת הַשְּׁאָר.
§ The Sages taught in a baraita: Kosher eggs that have been boiled with non-kosher eggs are permitted. Unfertilized eggs are permitted, and one of strong constitution may eat them, even if the hen has sat on them for a long period of time. If a drop [koret] of blood is found on it, one discards the blood, which is the first stage of an embryo’s development, and eats the rest.
אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: וְהוּא שֶׁנִּמְצָא עַל קֶשֶׁר שֶׁלָּהּ. תָּנֵי דּוֹסְתַּאי אֲבוּהּ דְּרַבִּי אַפְטוֹרִיקִי: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא שֶׁנִּמְצָא עַל חֶלְבּוֹן שֶׁלָּהּ, אֲבָל נִמְצָא עַל חֶלְמוֹן שֶׁלָּהּ – אֲפִילּוּ בֵּיצָה אֲסוּרָה. מַאי טַעְמָא? דִּשְׁדָא תִּכְלָא בְּכוּלַּהּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב גְּבִיהָה מִבֵּי כְתִיל לְרַב אָשֵׁי: אִיפְּכָא תָּנֵי תַּנָּא קַמֵּיהּ דְּאַבָּיֵי, וְאַבָּיֵי הוּא דְּתָרְצַהּ נִיהֲלֵיהּ הָכִי.
Rabbi Yirmeya said: And this applies when the blood is found on its knot, i.e., the place in the albumen where the embryo begins to develop, since this proves that tissue has not developed elsewhere in the egg. And so taught Dostai, father of Rabbi Aptoriki: The Sages taught that one may eat the rest of the egg only when the blood is found on its albumen, i.e., the knot; but if it is found on its yolk, even the rest of the egg is forbidden. What is the reason for this? It is that the decay has spread through all of it. Rav Geviha from Bei Ketil said to Rav Ashi: A tanna taught the opposite before Abaye, that one may eat the rest of the egg only when the blood is found on its yolk, and it is Abaye that corrected it in this manner.
אָמַר חִזְקִיָּה: מִנַּיִן לְבֵיצַת טְמֵאָה שֶׁהִיא אֲסוּרָה מִן הַתּוֹרָה? שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וְאֶת בַּת הַיַּעֲנָה״, וְכִי בַּת יֵשׁ לָהּ לַיַּעֲנָה? אֶלָּא אֵיזוֹ – זוֹ בֵּיצָה טְמֵאָה. וְדִלְמָא הַיְינוּ שְׁמַיְיהוּ? לָא סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ, דִּכְתִיב: ״בַּת עַמִּי לְאַכְזָר כַּיְעֵנִים בַּמִּדְבָּר״.
§ Ḥizkiyya says: From where is it derived that the egg of a non-kosher bird is prohibited by Torah law? As it is stated: “And the daughter [bat] of the ya’ana” (Leviticus 11:16). But does the ya’ana have a daughter whose forbidden status would be different from that of its mother? Both daughter and mother should be included in the same prohibition. Rather, which is this? This is a non-kosher egg. The Gemara challenges: But perhaps this is their name, i.e., the bird is called bat ya’ana. The Gemara responds: This should not enter your mind, as it is written: “The daughter of my people has become cruel, like the ye’enim in the wilderness” (Lamentations 4:3).
וְלָא? וְהָא כְּתִיב: ״אֶעֱשֶׂה מִסְפֵּד כַּתַּנִּים וְאֵבֶל כִּבְנוֹת יַעֲנָה״? כְּיַעֲנָה זוֹ שֶׁמִּתְאַבֶּלֶת עַל בָּנֶיהָ. וְהָא כְּתִיב: ״וְשָׁכְנוּ שָׁם בְּנוֹת יַעֲנָה״? כְּיַעֲנָה זוֹ שֶׁשּׁוֹכֶנֶת עִם בָּנֶיהָ.
The Gemara persists: And is bat ya’ana not its name? But isn’t it written: “I will make a wailing like the jackals, and a mourning like the daughters [benot] of the ya’ana” (Micah 1:8)? The Gemara responds: The verse means: I will make mourning like this ya’ana that mourns for its children. The Gemara asks: But isn’t it written: “And benot ya’ana shall dwell there” (Isaiah 13:21)? The Gemara responds: Here too, the verse means: And they shall dwell there like this ya’ana that dwells with its children.
וְהָכְתִיב: ״תְּכַבְּדֵנִי חַיַּת הַשָּׂדֶה תַּנִּים וּבְנוֹת יַעֲנָה״, וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ בֵּיצָה, בֵּיצָה בַּת מֵימַר שִׁירָה הִיא? אֶלָּא, כְּתִיב ״הַיַּעֲנָה״, וּכְתִיב ״בַּת הַיַּעֲנָה״.
The Gemara asks: But isn’t it written: “The animals of the field shall honor Me, the jackals and the benot ya’ana” (Isaiah 43:20)? And if it enters your mind that the term bat ya’ana is referring to an egg, can an egg sing a song of praise to God? Rather, one must say: The ya’ana is written, and the bat ya’ana is also written, and both are acceptable names for this bird.
וְשָׁאנֵי הָכָא, דְּפָסֵק סָפְרָא לִשְׁתֵּי תֵּיבוֹת, וּמִדְּפָסֵיק לְהוּ סָפְרָא
And still, the name here is different from those of other animals, in that the scribe splits it into two words: Bat ya’ana, even though it is one species. And from the fact that the scribe splits it
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